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Post by neilm on Apr 2, 2015 16:12:06 GMT
What does the I in LGBTIQ stand for?
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 2, 2015 16:14:55 GMT
Or maybe they should go somewhere else? Why should they? From a free market point of view I can understand that stance but then I don't believe in free markets..... |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 2, 2015 16:22:33 GMT
Or maybe they should go somewhere else? Why should they? From a free market point of view I can understand that stance but then I don't believe in free markets..... I'm a little unclear what you mean by free market here. Presumably you're not suggesting that the state should run cake shops? Are you using free as a synonym for entirely unregulated? If so, I'm not sure anybody really believes in free markets, because most people would support basic food hygiene standards, stopping people selling short measure etc. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 2, 2015 16:24:49 GMT
What does the I in LGBTIQ stand for? Isn't it Intersex? |
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Post by iain on Apr 2, 2015 16:55:54 GMT
What does the I in LGBTIQ stand for? Isn't it Intersex? Yes it is. What's Queer supposed to be? |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 2, 2015 18:13:52 GMT
Why should they? From a free market point of view I can understand that stance but then I don't believe in free markets..... I'm a little unclear what you mean by free market here. Presumably you're not suggesting that the state should run cake shops? Are you using free as a synonym for entirely unregulated? If so, I'm not sure anybody really believes in free markets, because most people would support basic food hygiene standards, stopping people selling short measure etc. Exactly the point I was hinting at! I think those against these measures tend just to effectively support the right to discriminate which I think is every bit as wrong as the examples you give |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 2, 2015 18:14:55 GMT
Why should they? From a free market point of view I can understand that stance but then I don't believe in free markets..... Merseyside mike what services do you provide in the education industry. Limited sessional lecturing, marking public exams, online tutoring and instructing.... |
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Post by maxque on Apr 2, 2015 20:50:41 GMT
Are we talking about the Northern Irish bakery that refused to decorate a cake to say "support gay marriage", and are being prosecuted for discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation (despite this happening in a province where same-sex marriage is not currently legal, and them not asking about the customer's sexuality)? Yes. It's apparently an attack on people supporting traditionnal marriage, according to her. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:33:57 GMT
Wasn't quite sure where to post this, but I ended up being reminded the other day of a clergywoman who became something of a serial religious defector, and I can't help but feel that there are certain parallels with some serial defectors in political parties.
Let me introduce the Rev Dr Mhoira Lauer-Patterson. She grew up in Leeds in the 1940s as a Roman Catholic, but at some point emigrated to Australia, where she became a Benedictine nun. At some point, she began training for the clergy in the Anglican Church of Australia, but, after being told she was too old, was ordained as a priest in the Reformed Catholic Church. In 2010, when she was 70, the bishop told her she was too old to continue, so she moved back to Yorkshire and in 2011 was ordained as a bishop in the Liberal Catholic Apostolic Church. A few months later, she tried to become a Unitarian minister in Leeds despite not being a trained Unitarian minister, and when unsuccessful, she quickly launched a campaign against the Unitarian General Assembly and defected to the 'evangelical' splinter Unitarian Ministries International. A year or so later, she joined the Hull-based Arian Catholic Church. Last I heard, she had moved back to Australia, converted to Judaism, and had at least tried to become a rabbi.
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Post by right on Dec 7, 2016 13:08:20 GMT
Wasn't quite sure where to post this, but I ended up being reminded the other day of a clergywoman who became something of a serial religious defector, and I can't help but feel that there are certain parallels with some serial defectors in political parties. Let me introduce the Rev Dr Mhoira Lauer-Patterson. She grew up in Leeds in the 1940s as a Roman Catholic, but at some point emigrated to Australia, where she became a Benedictine nun. At some point, she began training for the clergy in the Anglican Church of Australia, but, after being told she was too old, was ordained as a priest in the Reformed Catholic Church. In 2010, when she was 70, the bishop told her she was too old to continue, so she moved back to Yorkshire and in 2011 was ordained as a bishop in the Liberal Catholic Apostolic Church. A few months later, she tried to become a Unitarian minister in Leeds despite not being a trained Unitarian minister, and when unsuccessful, she quickly launched a campaign against the Unitarian General Assembly and defected to the 'evangelical' splinter Unitarian Ministries International. A year or so later, she joined the Hull-based Arian Catholic Church. Last I heard, she had moved back to Australia, converted to Judaism, and had at least tried to become a rabbi. It's actually a reasonably coherent journey from Catholic nun, through the women's ordination movement into less and less orthodox versions of Christianity until she she sloughed it all off to become Jewish. It's not that unlike the journeys from Trotskism to Conservative Republicanism made by many neo-cons. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 14:19:13 GMT
Yeah, I certainly follow her train of thought. What's perhaps a bit more unusual is for someone to get all the way from Roman Catholicism to Judaism via that particular route in the space of a few years, and immediately at least try to be a priest/minister/rabbi in all of her stops. From what I've heard from Yorkshire Unitarians, she was perhaps not necessarily the easiest person to work with...
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Post by maxque on Dec 8, 2016 5:49:47 GMT
There's the fabulous Christina Summers in Brighton: elected as a Green councillor, she has since become an independent Christian extremist. Her twitter bio says, she's a Christian councillor in the most Godless city in the UK. We're lucky God sent someone to bring light to us heathens She now seems to be a pro-Trump Brexiter. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 7:20:48 GMT
Yes it is. What's Queer supposed to be? Everything hunty *finger click* "Queer" is being redefined and reclaimed on a regular basis. I've certainly noticed that it's being used as a catch-all term for anybody who falls outside gender and sexual norms (see for two examples, Jinkx Monsson and Christine and the Queens). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 9:02:34 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 8, 2016 10:19:20 GMT
Or, indeed, that swan used to have Scot Nat sympathies  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 8, 2016 17:01:22 GMT
Yes it is. What's Queer supposed to be? Everything hunty *finger click* "Queer" is being redefined and reclaimed on a regular basis. I've certainly noticed that it's being used as a catch-all term for anybody who falls outside gender and sexual norms (see for two examples, Jinkx Monsson and Christine and the Queens). I'm still unsure as to whether Christine and the Queens is a serious thing. Rather than yet another Outrageous Second Coming of French Pop. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 8, 2016 17:04:48 GMT
Everything hunty *finger click* "Queer" is being redefined and reclaimed on a regular basis. I've certainly noticed that it's being used as a catch-all term for anybody who falls outside gender and sexual norms (see for two examples, Jinkx Monsson and Christine and the Queens). I'm still unsure as to whether Christine and the Queens is a serious thing. Rather than yet another Outrageous Second Coming of French Pop. She at least makes some catchy songs. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 8, 2016 18:17:25 GMT
There's the fabulous Christina Summers in Brighton: elected as a Green councillor, she has since become an independent Christian extremist. Her twitter bio says, she's a Christian councillor in the most Godless city in the UK. We're lucky God sent someone to bring light to us heathens She now seems to be a pro-Trump Brexiter. Looking at her Twitter its very right wing indeed - so clearly she must have changed her views since her days in the Greens, given that I can't see how any one with that set of beliefs would have thought the Greens a natural home politically at all. |
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Post by mboy on Dec 11, 2016 11:15:13 GMT
Does reinforce the perception that there's an unusually high proportion of ideological loons in the Green Party though...
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Post by hedgehog on Dec 11, 2016 23:03:11 GMT
She now seems to be a pro-Trump Brexiter. Looking at her Twitter its very right wing indeed - so clearly she must have changed her views since her days in the Greens, given that I can't see how any one with that set of beliefs would have thought the Greens a natural home politically at all. Her tweets appear to be those of a very angry person, hard to imagine she was every a Green councillor. |
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