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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 22, 2014 12:31:41 GMT
Which party is Winston Mackenzie in this week?
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 22, 2014 12:34:09 GMT
Greenchristian has campaigned there so will be able to give more information, but my understanding is that it's a deprived council estate that the local Greens pretty much gatecrashed after the BNP collapsed, positioning themselves as a more effective alternative to Labour. Pretty much. It's heavily deprived and overwhelmingly white. In addition, whilst the estate (which also covers Smith's Wood ward and part of Kingshurst & Fordbridge ward) has been Labour from its creation in the 70s up until the BNP victory, their councillors haven't ever been very active in the area. The estate is also one of the leading contenders for the prize of most confusing road layout in the UK, mostly because the road names bear absolutely no relationship to the actual geography. A combination of Labour neglecting an area that has always been ultra safe for them, albeit often on comical turnouts, and the Green Party's highly effective and extremely cynical campaigning. |
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 22, 2014 15:59:57 GMT
Pretty much. It's heavily deprived and overwhelmingly white. In addition, whilst the estate (which also covers Smith's Wood ward and part of Kingshurst & Fordbridge ward) has been Labour from its creation in the 70s up until the BNP victory, their councillors haven't ever been very active in the area. The estate is also one of the leading contenders for the prize of most confusing road layout in the UK, mostly because the road names bear absolutely no relationship to the actual geography. A combination of Labour neglecting an area that has always been ultra safe for them, albeit often on comical turnouts, and the Green Party's highly effective and extremely cynical campaigning. I wouldn't call our campaigning cynical. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 16:13:12 GMT
Quentin Davies' defection from Conservative to Labour in 2007 could perhaps be described as unexpected and strange, if not unusual.
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 22, 2014 16:43:06 GMT
On that subject, the Green leader on Norfolk County Council defected to the Conservatives in 2011. I also believe that the UKIP candidate in the Rotherham by-election had previously stood as a Green council candidate -- though I can't find anything about that on the internet any more, so maybe I dreamt it? Wasn't the Rotherham thing that the ED candidate had previously been the LD candidate? I think the Green candidate in Bradford West by-election then stood for Respect in the council elections or maybe I'm remembering that wrong? |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 22, 2014 17:08:28 GMT
On that subject, the Green leader on Norfolk County Council defected to the Conservatives in 2011. I also believe that the UKIP candidate in the Rotherham by-election had previously stood as a Green council candidate -- though I can't find anything about that on the internet any more, so maybe I dreamt it? Wasn't the Rotherham thing that the ED candidate had previously been the LD candidate? I think the Green candidate in Bradford West by-election then stood for Respect in the council elections or maybe I'm remembering that wrong? Dave Wildgoose - had previously been the Lib dem candidate three times I think. I was at university with him although I don't remember him standing in university elections when we there. One of the lib dem blogging sites published an article about him and his switch and the only comments were from Dave defending himself, saying that he was still a liberal but the lib dems weren't as they didn't support an english parliament. |
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Post by seanf on Feb 23, 2014 18:58:58 GMT
Gooshays has voted Labour, Conservative, BNP, and UKIP in recent years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 13:38:26 GMT
Two of the most deprived wards in Preston voted in Conservative councillors during the 2008 slump, ending uninterrupted Labour representation going back generations.
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 26, 2014 16:56:33 GMT
I think the Green candidate in Bradford West by-election then stood for Respect in the council elections or maybe I'm remembering that wrong? I don't know if you are or not, but given that Salma Yaqoob endorsed a number of Green candidates whilst she was still Respect leader, it's not a particularly bizarre defection. |
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Post by YL on Feb 26, 2014 18:37:57 GMT
On that subject, the Green leader on Norfolk County Council defected to the Conservatives in 2011. I also believe that the UKIP candidate in the Rotherham by-election had previously stood as a Green council candidate -- though I can't find anything about that on the internet any more, so maybe I dreamt it? Wasn't the Rotherham thing that the ED candidate had previously been the LD candidate? I think the Green candidate in Bradford West by-election then stood for Respect in the council elections or maybe I'm remembering that wrong? Yes, Dawud Islam was the Green candidate in the Bradford West by-election, defected to Respect soon after the result and stood for them in Clayton & Fairweather Green in the local elections, only just over a month later. He got 481 votes in the by-election and 762 in the local elections. And it was also in Bradford West where the UKIP candidate was an ex-Green: Sonja McNally stood for the Greens in Heaton in 2011 and then for UKIP in the by-election. Re Rotherham, yes Wildgoose was the English Democrat candidate in the 2012 by-election having been the Lib Dem candidate in the 1994 by-election. IIRC Marlene Guest, the BNP candidate in the 2012 by-election, was also once a Lib Dem. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Feb 26, 2014 19:08:07 GMT
Has anybody heard of Keith Standring? He stood as a Communist in the West Central Ward of Crewe in 1965. Despite the area being known as Little Moscow, he gained only 88 votes - Labour got 643. He later joined Labour, then moved south to resurface as a Conservative councillor in Bexhill, and then stood for the BNP!
An interesting journey ...
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Post by YL on Feb 26, 2014 19:45:26 GMT
Speaking of Heaton ward in Bradford, it could be an example of the original topic of the thread, having been a Respect gain from Conservative in 2012, and it has also had a Green councillor. Its full history of winning parties goes:
2004 Con, Green, Con
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Post by slicesofjim on Feb 26, 2014 20:16:29 GMT
Has anybody heard of Keith Standring? He stood as a Communist in the West Central Ward of Crewe in 1965. Despite the area being known as Little Moscow, he gained only 88 votes - Labour got 643. He later joined Labour, then moved south to resurface as a Conservative councillor in Bexhill, and then stood for the BNP! An interesting journey ... I can't quite beat that, but we had someone stand for TUSC in North Devon in 2011 who was a Tory candidate in 1999, then an Independent, then Communist, No2EU, and finally TUSC. Who knows where he will end up in 2015, we are no longer on speaking terms... |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 27, 2014 10:48:19 GMT
Has anybody heard of Keith Standring? He stood as a Communist in the West Central Ward of Crewe in 1965. Despite the area being known as Little Moscow, he gained only 88 votes - Labour got 643. He later joined Labour, then moved south to resurface as a Conservative councillor in Bexhill, and then stood for the BNP! An interesting journey ... I can't quite beat that, but we had someone stand for TUSC in North Devon in 2011 who was a Tory candidate in 1999, then an Independent, then Communist, No2EU, and finally TUSC. Who knows where he will end up in 2015, we are no longer on speaking terms... UKIP probably... |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 27, 2014 22:50:15 GMT
Has anybody heard of Keith Standring? He stood as a Communist in the West Central Ward of Crewe in 1965. Despite the area being known as Little Moscow, he gained only 88 votes - Labour got 643. He later joined Labour, then moved south to resurface as a Conservative councillor in Bexhill, and then stood for the BNP! An interesting journey ... I can't quite beat that, but we had someone stand for TUSC in North Devon in 2011 who was a Tory candidate in 1999, then an Independent, then Communist, No2EU, and finally TUSC. Who knows where he will end up in 2015, we are no longer on speaking terms... A TUSC candidate in North Devon? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 28, 2014 20:36:58 GMT
Has anybody heard of Keith Standring? He stood as a Communist in the West Central Ward of Crewe in 1965. Despite the area being known as Little Moscow, he gained only 88 votes - Labour got 643. He later joined Labour, then moved south to resurface as a Conservative councillor in Bexhill, and then stood for the BNP! An interesting journey ... I can't quite beat that, but we had someone stand for TUSC in North Devon in 2011 who was a Tory candidate in 1999, then an Independent, then Communist, No2EU, and finally TUSC. Who knows where he will end up in 2015, we are no longer on speaking terms... Amazing the journeys people go on. I know someone who is a card-carrying Trotskyist, and has been for nearly 40 years. But also openly admits that they were previously a card-carrying, committed Tory. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Mar 4, 2014 15:35:07 GMT
Wasn't the Rotherham thing that the ED candidate had previously been the LD candidate? I think the Green candidate in Bradford West by-election then stood for Respect in the council elections or maybe I'm remembering that wrong? Yes, Dawud Islam was the Green candidate in the Bradford West by-election, defected to Respect soon after the result and stood for them in Clayton & Fairweather Green in the local elections, only just over a month later. He got 481 votes in the by-election and 762 in the local elections. Assuming it's not somebody with the same name - it looks like he's standing for TUSC in Rochdale this time - although the crossing of the Pennines is probably a bigger switch than Respect to TUSC. |
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 4, 2014 15:52:03 GMT
I can't quite beat that, but we had someone stand for TUSC in North Devon in 2011 who was a Tory candidate in 1999, then an Independent, then Communist, No2EU, and finally TUSC. Who knows where he will end up in 2015, we are no longer on speaking terms... A TUSC candidate in North Devon? In Red Barnstaple, yes, we had two, and the Communists had one in 2011. We got the highest percentage TUSC vote in the south west in 2011, and the 13th highest nationally. |
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Post by slicesofjim on Mar 4, 2014 15:52:23 GMT
I can't quite beat that, but we had someone stand for TUSC in North Devon in 2011 who was a Tory candidate in 1999, then an Independent, then Communist, No2EU, and finally TUSC. Who knows where he will end up in 2015, we are no longer on speaking terms... UKIP probably... I would not be at all surprised... |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 1, 2015 22:22:53 GMT
On a personal level, 2015 will be my 4th vote in this constituency of Ross, Skye and Lochaber and it will make 4-different parties in succession, a record for me, and can anyone beat that?
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