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Post by The Bishop on Oct 25, 2013 10:21:19 GMT
Shirley Anne Somerville sounds a Parliamentarian Well of course she has been, and a quite well regarded one at that it seems. It is very likely that she stopped the SNP getting a significantly worse result. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 25, 2013 10:26:50 GMT
Suprised to see no comments on the very poor performance by the Lib Dems - especially compared to how they fared in Donside a few months ago. The Conservatives did quite well - I wonder if we are seeing the green shoots of recovery for them in Scotland. James Reekie, while looking about 12 according to my wife, is surely one to watch for the future, as he seemed to come across quite well. The Greens must be disappointed? The hype from them before the result surely indicated they thought they would do better than this. The LDs did have incumbency in 2011, so it's maybe not that surprising to see them falling back further. The Green result is about what I expected. It's our best result (in terms of share and number of votes) in any parliamentary constituency election in Dunfermline  (but I must have missed the hype you were talking about other than one post by our host who is no longer a Green). |
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Post by andrea on Oct 25, 2013 10:55:37 GMT
Reminder: For AWS I mean a selection process where only women can apply and not a shortlist of just female names picked during a selection process where men were also allowed to apply (like Rotherham by-election) ]Well, since the SEC are the ultimate authority, and I am going on what I was told by two different, yet senior members of the SEC, we'll have to take your newspaper report and twitter comment as trumping that. it sounds bitchy! So I can be bitchy too. I hope you don't take offence... Saturday 7 September I understand that Labour has already shortlisted and is interviewing. (which doesn't make much sense anyway as interviews are usually pre shortlisting) Friday 13 September The original all woman short list scrapped last week was Councillors Cara Hilton, Lesley Laird and Fiona Yates, daughter of Labour MSP for Cowdenbeath, Helen Eadie. Err, how could there have been a short list last week to be scrapped, when Bill Walker didnt resign until this week? Two SEC members have confirmed to me that its to be AWS, and this will be confirmed tomorrow at the SEC meeting in Glasgow. Plus, how could there be people on that shortlist when the shortlisting meeting has yet to take place? Or are you just talking about names bandied about by the newspapers rather than an actual shortlist? So, yes, change your sources, so we don't have to read contradictory comments week in and week out.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 11:38:49 GMT
The Green result is about what I expected. It's our best result (in terms of share and number of votes) in any parliamentary constituency election in Dunfermline (but I must have missed the hype you were talking about other than one post by our host who is no longer a Green). There's always one or two slightly naive activists who think we might somehow win. That said, ours was a much bigger campaign than it might have been, and we were all incredibly impressed with Zara. I do wonder how much of a difference that made. My worry is that with the best will in the world, we're still largely unable to appeal beyond students, bourgeois-bohemians and lefty intellectuals. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 12:00:58 GMT
The Green result is about what I expected. It's our best result (in terms of share and number of votes) in any parliamentary constituency election in Dunfermline (but I must have missed the hype you were talking about other than one post by our host who is no longer a Green). There's always one or two slightly naive activists who think we might somehow win. That said, ours was a much bigger campaign than it might have been, and we were all incredibly impressed with Zara. I do wonder how much of a difference that made. My worry is that with the best will in the world, we're still largely unable to appeal beyond students, bourgeois-bohemians and lefty intellectuals. Yup.. the depressing figure for me is that SGP got a higher share of regional votes in 2011 (3%), she got slightly closer than Rhonda in Donside, but not that much better. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 12:40:54 GMT
When my WWC friends of the most likely voting age saw her, their response was along the lines of "nice woman, but you'd think she'd have taken the ring out of her nose if she was going to stand for parliament". Probably unfair, but it does speak to Benjamin's remark about being "unable to appeal beyond students, bourgeois-bohemians and lefty intellectuals".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 12:44:38 GMT
Actually, two of them were Keralans, so not all WWC.
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 14:50:48 GMT
The Green result is about what I expected. It's our best result (in terms of share and number of votes) in any parliamentary constituency election in Dunfermline (but I must have missed the hype you were talking about other than one post by our host who is no longer a Green). There's always one or two slightly naive activists who think we might somehow win. That said, ours was a much bigger campaign than it might have been, and we were all incredibly impressed with Zara. I do wonder how much of a difference that made. My worry is that with the best will in the world, we're still largely unable to appeal beyond students, bourgeois-bohemians and lefty intellectuals. A lot of the hype I was seeing was coming from Patrick Harvie. |
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 14:53:29 GMT
Reminder: For AWS I mean a selection process where only women can apply and not a shortlist of just female names picked during a selection process where men were also allowed to apply (like Rotherham by-election) ]Well, since the SEC are the ultimate authority, and I am going on what I was told by two different, yet senior members of the SEC, we'll have to take your newspaper report and twitter comment as trumping that. it sounds bitchy! So I can be bitchy too. I hope you don't take offence... Saturday 7 September I understand that Labour has already shortlisted and is interviewing. (which doesn't make much sense anyway as interviews are usually pre shortlisting) Friday 13 September Err, how could there have been a short list last week to be scrapped, when Bill Walker didnt resign until this week? Two SEC members have confirmed to me that its to be AWS, and this will be confirmed tomorrow at the SEC meeting in Glasgow. Plus, how could there be people on that shortlist when the shortlisting meeting has yet to take place? Or are you just talking about names bandied about by the newspapers rather than an actual shortlist? So, yes, change your sources, so we don't have to read contradictory comments week in and week out. As I said in the first statement - it was my understanding that shortlisting had begun. The following week it was evident that it had not. Regardless of how accurate my sources are, I would still take them as being more accurate than any newspaper report. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 25, 2013 16:19:53 GMT
There was a bit of early hype during the count from UKIP, to the effect that they might be saving their deposit. As it turned out the UKIP candidate didn't get as many as half the votes needed to do that.
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 25, 2013 16:45:54 GMT
There was a bit of early hype during the count from UKIP, to the effect that they might be saving their deposit. As it turned out the UKIP candidate didn't get as many as half the votes needed to do that. UKIP had an awful candidate here. Peter Adams is one of that idiotic group of people who march into police stations and demand the arrest of various senior politicians for Treason. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 17:21:03 GMT
I don't know if Devonian was watching the Newsnicht coverage, but a short interview with Peter Adams last night shown on there would seem relevant to his point about UKIP Scotland's failure to convince voters that they are a Scottish party, rather than simply a British party in Scotland. When questioned on this, he stared blankly at the camera and simply proclaimed 'We are a British party', apparently oblivious to the idea that this might be a stumbling block. |
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Post by Devonian on Oct 25, 2013 17:44:11 GMT
I don't know if Devonian was watching the Newsnicht coverage, but a short interview with Peter Adams last night shown on there would seem relevant to his point about UKIP Scotland's failure to convince voters that they are a Scottish party, rather than simply a British party in Scotland. When questioned on this, he stared blankly at the camera and simply proclaimed 'We are a British party', apparently oblivious to the idea that this might be a stumbling block. I didn't see that but yes I can see how saying things like that would be a problem. Actually given UKIP's previously terrible results in Scotland the result last night wasn't too bad. Their results for the 2010 Westminster election in Dunfermline was 1.3%. They put up about 30 candidates in that election and only got more than 2% in three of them (and two of those were under 3%). So its definite progress from a very low base. But yes if UKIP Scotland are to make progress they need to avoid gaffes like that, put up more impressive candidates and present themselves as more Scottish. By far the most impressive Scottish UKIP candidate I am aware of is David Coburn. He is their lead candidate for the Euros in Scotland and the UKIP London organiser. I would think that if UKIP want a respectable result in the Scottish Euros they should try to get him in the Scottish media as much as possible whilst keeping Viscount Monckton away from microphones and cameras for the duration of the election. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 25, 2013 18:18:43 GMT
I don't see how he could have said other than that UKIP are a British party - trying to suggest that they are a distinctively Scottish party would hardly be convincing.
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Post by Devonian on Oct 25, 2013 20:44:10 GMT
I don't see how he could have said other than that UKIP are a British party - trying to suggest that they are a distinctively Scottish party would hardly be convincing. But then it depends how it is said. Having just seen the interview I'm afraid he did express himself rather badly on this point. The interviewer asked about UKIP's image problem in Scotland of being an English party. Peter Adams replied that they were a British party. The interviewer then said 'Not a Scottish party?' and Adams replied 'No, we a British party.' That's exactly the wrong sort of answer. A better answer would have been along the lines of 'Yes we are both Scottish and British, we don't see any conflict between the two identities' or words to that effect. I'm not wanting to criticise him too much. He did get about 3 times the percentage UKIP got in 2010 in Dunfermline and I'm not sure I would have handled an interview like that any better but if UKIP are to grow faster in Scotland they need to make sure that candidates in high profile elections like this are a bit more fluent with the media. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 21:59:05 GMT
I wonder if the Conservatives were helped slightly by the lower turnout and the loss of LibDem incumbency. Not convinced that this really signals the start of a blue revival.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 22:03:29 GMT
There never has been a collapse of people with Conservative values, they just don't vote conservative. Tactical voting is such a pain at times.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 25, 2013 22:20:41 GMT
I wonder if the Conservatives were helped slightly by the lower turnout and the loss of LibDem incumbency. Not convinced that this really signals the start of a blue revival. But it would be fascinating if it did. I'm just re-reading David Torrance's "Whatever happened to Tory Scotland?" And in his chapter John Curtice just can't see how it might happen, as the Tories didn't seem to have much enthusiasm for devolution. Maybe things have moved on from that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 12:17:42 GMT
It wasn't really close was it?
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 26, 2013 12:23:05 GMT
Which makes me wonder about the last minute Salmond appearance.....
Maybe it wasn't, after all, that the SNP thought they still had a chance of winning - but because they feared being gubbed?
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(but I must have missed the hype you were talking about other than one post by our host who is no longer a Green).
