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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 25, 2013 1:18:09 GMT
Tory vote very steady: from 2,093 to 2,009.
Already a bit of confusion over whether Labour polled 10,279 or 10,275 thanks to the cheering drowning out the returning officer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 1:20:35 GMT
I have to agree with Boogie that Shirley-Ann Somerville comes across as a much better candidate than Cara Hilton. The latter spent half her victory speech speaking against independence in a rather uninspiring manner.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 25, 2013 7:28:07 GMT
I wasn't even born at the time of that by-election, so I have definitely aged.  Come to think of it, the Govan by-election would have been at about the time you were conceived... perhaps your parents were, er, celebrating the result... |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 25, 2013 7:34:29 GMT
My sleeping/waking hours are out of sync at the moment, so I was asleep while all the fun was happening.
There have been several references (both here and on Twitter) to "Newsnicht". Is this a real thing, or are people just facetiously mis-spelling "Newsnight"? Where can I find this footage of Govan 1988 that people are mentioning?
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Post by libfozzy on Oct 25, 2013 7:41:07 GMT
Bad losers and even worse winners  The current "line" from there seems to be "it wuz the eevil Toreez wot dun it, guv"  What is their tortured logic on that one? I think one of the talking heads said that some Tory voters had tactically voted Labour to keep the SNP out. So now, of course, in their minds, it's all the fault of the Tories. The SNP never get beaten remember, they only get ganged up on unfairly. Because they have a god given right to win every election and only underhanded trickery and pacts with the Blue Devil can take that away from them. #idespair |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 7:47:03 GMT
seen a tweet to say this was the first change of parties in a Scottish byelection since 2000 ?
how many has there been ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 7:57:40 GMT
This is the eighth constituency by-election, and only the second to change hands.
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 8:16:49 GMT
the Labour party who have influence over Unite, i dont think you're on message there. I'm sure the Conservative attack machine has it that UNITE have influence over Labour - not the other way around... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 8:18:55 GMT
They should have opened up the selection process and got a big hitter - or the Peoples Choice - Jim Leishman.
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 8:24:18 GMT
I have to agree with Boogie that Shirley-Ann Somerville comes across as a much better candidate than Cara Hilton. The latter spent half her victory speech speaking against independence in a rather uninspiring manner. Remember, Shirley-Anne WAS a parliamentarian. She was a Lothians list MSP from 2007-11. |
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 8:27:16 GMT
They should have opened up the selection process and got a big hitter - or the Peoples Choice - Jim Leishman. Firstly, this seat was All-Woman Shortlist. Secondly, I despair because if the party HAD done that, I'm sure there would be plenty of people complaining about parachutes, not choosing a local candidate etc.. All female members of the party who are on the parliamentary panel had the opportunity to apply for this seat. And Cara was the one chosen by the local members (and being a councillor for Dunfermline South no doubt helped). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 8:33:38 GMT
John, I am sure that an all woman candidate list was unconstitutional in relation to the by election but in a spirit of unity the male hopefuls let it pass. I am also sure Jim Leishman has been given the nod that for his support he is a shoo in for the next available Fife seat. Living in Fife I can say we have half a dozen decent councillors and the rest are crap, abysmal representation with both Labour and the SNP being controlled by political families.
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 8:35:24 GMT
Suprised to see no comments on the very poor performance by the Lib Dems - especially compared to how they fared in Donside a few months ago.
The Conservatives did quite well - I wonder if we are seeing the green shoots of recovery for them in Scotland. James Reekie, while looking about 12 according to my wife, is surely one to watch for the future, as he seemed to come across quite well.
The Greens must be disappointed? The hype from them before the result surely indicated they thought they would do better than this.
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 8:38:47 GMT
John, I am sure that an all woman candidate list was unconstitutional in relation to the by election but in a spirit of unity the male hopefuls let it pass. I am also sure Jim Leishman has been given the nod that for his support he is a shoo in for the next available Fife seat. Living in Fife I can say we have half a dozen decent councillors and the rest are crap, abysmal representation with both Labour and the SNP being controlled by political families. Unconstitutional in what way? It was decided by the Scottish Executive committee. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 25, 2013 8:52:31 GMT
I have been drinking, but I am very happy. Mind you, I don't think Cara Hilton sounds like she is Parliamentary material. So, normal Labour party service has been resumed. Quite a lot of our actual Parliamentary material is crap. Having somebody who hasn't learnt all the bad habits yet might not necessarily be a bad thing. |
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Post by andrea on Oct 25, 2013 9:04:28 GMT
The declaration news.stv.tv/politics/245241-cara-hilton-wins-dunfermline-by-election-for-scottish-labour/I didn't hear the winning speech as STV playe refused to work and BBC never let me watch as I am a foreigner and don't pay their licence fee. But newly elected MPs often sound crap and/or uninspiring in winning speeches. They must be exhausted after polling day. And they often have forced to read some soundbites written by the party's speech writers. John, I am sure that an all woman candidate list was unconstitutional in relation to the by election but in a spirit of unity the male hopefuls let it pass. Men were invited to apply at one point. They even longlisted 2 of them (Ewan Aitken and another chap) and then they cancelled their interview the day of the interview. |
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 9:45:03 GMT
The declaration news.stv.tv/politics/245241-cara-hilton-wins-dunfermline-by-election-for-scottish-labour/I didn't hear the winning speech as STV playe refused to work and BBC never let me watch as I am a foreigner and don't pay their licence fee. But newly elected MPs often sound crap and/or uninspiring in winning speeches. They must be exhausted after polling day. And they often have forced to read some soundbites written by the party's speech writers. John, I am sure that an all woman candidate list was unconstitutional in relation to the by election but in a spirit of unity the male hopefuls let it pass. Men were invited to apply at one point. They even longlisted 2 of them (Ewan Aitken and another chap) and then they cancelled their interview the day of the interview. Not according to the SEC they wernt. There were several people who "threw their hat into the ring" in the media - Ewan Aitken and Jim Leishman being a couple. But the SEC decided this was to be AWS several months ago, and it was then confirmed before the short-list was drawn up (there wasnt a long list in this case). |
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Post by john07 on Oct 25, 2013 9:51:51 GMT
I have to agree with Boogie that Shirley-Ann Somerville comes across as a much better candidate than Cara Hilton. The latter spent half her victory speech speaking against independence in a rather uninspiring manner. Remember, Shirley-Anne WAS a parliamentarian. She was a Lothians list MSP from 2007-11. She got in by the back door if I recall correctly. I think that one guy was elected to both Edinburgh Council and as a list MSP. He chose to stand down from the latter and this let Shirley-Anne Pain-in-the-Arse in as the next one on the SNP list. |
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Post by andrea on Oct 25, 2013 10:11:39 GMT
The declaration news.stv.tv/politics/245241-cara-hilton-wins-dunfermline-by-election-for-scottish-labour/I didn't hear the winning speech as STV playe refused to work and BBC never let me watch as I am a foreigner and don't pay their licence fee. But newly elected MPs often sound crap and/or uninspiring in winning speeches. They must be exhausted after polling day. And they often have forced to read some soundbites written by the party's speech writers. Men were invited to apply at one point. They even longlisted 2 of them (Ewan Aitken and another chap) and then they cancelled their interview the day of the interview. Not according to the SEC they wernt. There were several people who "threw their hat into the ring" in the media - Ewan Aitken and Jim Leishman being a couple. But the SEC decided this was to be AWS several months ago, and it was then confirmed before the short-list was drawn up (there wasnt a long list in this case). The SEC decided for an AWS months before the by-election (IIRC December 2012). But when the by-election was called, the email being sent out calling for applications didn't specify the gender requested. I guess it was due to the fact that AWS usually don't apply to by-elections. The Scotsman quoted a Labour spokesman saying "that a decision was taken to open up the selection to males as well as females to ensure a “full and open” choice of candidates" www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/bill-walker-by-election-final-five-revealed-1-3093447The 2 men called for interview were Tom McInally and Ewan Aitken. The interview never took place in the end. If you don't believe me, you can check McInally's twitter account about when it was cancelled. It was September 14th ("Been informed-Labour Party will 'not be adding' to the Dunfermline shortlist. Shortlist interview canceled"). That obviously implies that he was called in first place. Or that he does imagine things. It was a pretty chaotic selection process. And that generated confusions in some SEC members too. Remember, Shirley-Anne WAS a parliamentarian. She was a Lothians list MSP from 2007-11. She got in by the back door if I recall correctly. I think that one guy was elected to both Edinburgh Council and as a list MSP. He chose to stand down from the latter and this let Shirley-Anne Pain-in-the-Arse in as the next one on the SNP list. yes, Stefan Tymkewycz |
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Post by johnr on Oct 25, 2013 10:18:28 GMT
Not according to the SEC they wernt. There were several people who "threw their hat into the ring" in the media - Ewan Aitken and Jim Leishman being a couple. But the SEC decided this was to be AWS several months ago, and it was then confirmed before the short-list was drawn up (there wasnt a long list in this case). The SEC decided for an AWS months before the by-election (IIRC December 2012). But when the by-election was called, the email being sent out calling for applications didn't specify the gender requested. I guess it was due to the fact that AWS usually don't apply to by-elections. The Scotsman quoted a Labour spokesman saying "that a decision was taken to open up the selection to males as well as females to ensure a “full and open” choice of candidates" www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/bill-walker-by-election-final-five-revealed-1-3093447The 2 men called for interview were Tom McInally and Ewan Aitken. The interview never took place in the end. If you don't believe me, you can check McInally's twitter account about when it was cancelled. It was September 14th ("Been informed-Labour Party will 'not be adding' to the Dunfermline shortlist. Shortlist interview canceled"). That obviously implies that he was called in first place. Or that he does imagine things. It was a pretty chaotic selection process. And that generated confusions in some SEC members too. Well, since the SEC are the ultimate authority, and I am going on what I was told by two different, yet senior members of the SEC, we'll have to take your newspaper report and twitter comment as trumping that. |
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