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Post by The Bishop on Sept 6, 2013 10:01:16 GMT
The result is confirmed in the official declaration on the council website. I agree it is a remarkable shift - why?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 6, 2013 10:08:39 GMT
It does look a bit implausible
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 10:09:56 GMT
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE - MIDDLETON CHENEY RESULT CON - 1081 UKIP - 604 LAB - 221 LIB DEM - 141
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 6, 2013 10:30:47 GMT
Strange Middleton Cheney looked the better UKIP prospect than Ravensthorpe based on past results. I don't think I've had all that good a week
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 10:41:58 GMT
Strange Middleton Cheney looked the better UKIP prospect than Ravensthorpe based on past results. I don't think I've had all that good a week The UKIP bubble hasn't burst, but it is slowly deflating. 9 out of 10 by election results 8,856 votes cast Con 34.3% UKIP 22.3% Lab 19.9% Lib Dem 11.4% Ind 8.5% Green 3.5% |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 6, 2013 10:44:58 GMT
I don't agree - if you look at the result in Ravensthorpe which was very good as was that in Loughborough all things considered. Those in the West Country were nothing special but it seems the East of England has supplanted that region as the most UKIP friendly. I'd want to see how we did in St Edmundsbury where we should get a strong vote. Inevitably with the post-Eastleigh publicity which went into May subsiding UKIP is less salient, but of course that will change in time for the elections in 2014
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 11:15:42 GMT
Break down of votes
Conservatives 3,456 votes 36.4% ( - 3.1%)
UKIP 2,128 votes 22.4% ( + 11.7%)
Labour 1,830 votes 19.3% ( - 3.2%)
Lib Dems 1,012 votes 10.7% ( -4.1%)
Independents 758 votes 8% ( - 0.5%)
Green Party 306 votes 3.2% ( + 2.9%)
English Dem & BBI didn't stand so -3.65%
9,490 votes in total a drop of 5 and a half thousand votes cast since the last time the same elections were held.
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Post by Pimpernal on Sept 6, 2013 11:16:46 GMT
Strange Middleton Cheney looked the better UKIP prospect than Ravensthorpe based on past results. I don't think I've had all that good a week The UKIP bubble hasn't burst, but it is slowly deflating. says he just as UKIP win our first seat in 3 months... it actually looks like we're starting to bounce back again... |
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Post by marksenior on Sept 6, 2013 11:22:19 GMT
The UKIP bubble hasn't burst, but it is slowly deflating. says he just as UKIP win our first seat in 3 months... it actually looks like we're starting to bounce back again... Oh , come on look at the history of the seat UKIP gained , won by BBI in 2007 , BNP in 2008 , Eng Dem in 2011 and UKIP in 2013 . , clearly a seat where many of the voters like racist right wing parties , UKIP could not fail to win there |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 6, 2013 11:22:49 GMT
The UKIP bubble hasn't burst, but it is slowly deflating. says he just as UKIP win our first seat in 3 months... In Boston, which is probably your strongest area in the entire country, and in a ward which has twice elected minor right-wing parties. A win is a win, but if you couldn't win Fenside that would demonstrate that the bubble had burst. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 6, 2013 11:25:32 GMT
St Edmundsbury figures, then??
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Post by innocentabroad on Sept 6, 2013 11:26:20 GMT
It is always possible to read too much into by-election results  Perhaps we need to amend the legislation so that expenses claims also have to state the number of hours unpaid work party members did canvassing, in committee rooms etc etc... And before you ask, I have been an agent for a Council election (a long long time ago) so I do know how what I'm saying  |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 6, 2013 11:30:15 GMT
St Edmundsbury figures, then?? Con 419 66.1% UKIP 150 23.7% Lab 65 10.3% |
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Post by Pimpernal on Sept 6, 2013 12:05:23 GMT
says he just as UKIP win our first seat in 3 months... In Boston, which is probably your strongest area in the entire country, and in a ward which has twice elected minor right-wing parties. A win is a win, but if you couldn't win Fenside that would demonstrate that the bubble had burst. But we did win - so it doesn't... That's like saying if Labour hadn't won South Shiels it would demonstrate Labour's bubble had burst... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 12:19:17 GMT
In Boston, which is probably your strongest area in the entire country, and in a ward which has twice elected minor right-wing parties. A win is a win, but if you couldn't win Fenside that would demonstrate that the bubble had burst. But we did win - so it doesn't... That's like saying if Labour hadn't won South Shiels it would demonstrate Labour's bubble had burst... And Labour out spent all other parties quite easily defending a safe seat.... curious. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 6, 2013 12:23:00 GMT
To a large degree that was needed because the previous incumbent had left the local party with virtually ZERO voter ID. Is that the person still fawned over by many of the chatterati as "Labour's Lost Leader"?? Amazingly enough, yes it is   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 12:26:32 GMT
To a large degree that was needed because the previous incumbent had left the local party with virtually ZERO voter ID. Is that the person still fawned over by many of the chatterati as "Labour's Lost Leader"?? Amazingly enough, yes it is Just as well that you have such an enigmatic leader now  |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 6, 2013 12:30:29 GMT
In Boston, which is probably your strongest area in the entire country, and in a ward which has twice elected minor right-wing parties. A win is a win, but if you couldn't win Fenside that would demonstrate that the bubble had burst. But we did win - so it doesn't... That's like saying if Labour hadn't won South Shiels it would demonstrate Labour's bubble had burst... Yes. If we hadn't won South Shields it would have been a disaster of biblical proportions for us. It's the sort of place where we get no credit for winning, because we damn well ought to win. The same situation applies (if perhaps not as strongly) for UKIP in Fenside. I wouldn't think this is a particularly complex point. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 6, 2013 12:31:28 GMT
I think it's quite a mixed bag of results for all concerned.
There's certainly some decent results there for UKIP and maybe one or two where they might have expected to do better. Both Labour and the Tories had strong holds, but less impressive results elsewhere. The Conservative results in both Charnwood and especially Torridge were real shockers. The LDs will be pleased to have gained the Cornwall seat, but don't have much to cheer about elsewhere. I'm delighted with the Torridge result - never been so happy to pick up over 70 faults before, but it would have been nice to see more than 2 Green candidates in 10 contests!
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 6, 2013 12:33:28 GMT
But we did win - so it doesn't... That's like saying if Labour hadn't won South Shiels it would demonstrate Labour's bubble had burst... And Labour out spent all other parties quite easily defending a safe seat.... curious. Not really. All the other parties except UKIP knew they'd get a kicking, and weren't going to throw away money making it a slightly less emphatic kicking. And spending almost up to the limit to prevent the outside chance of a UKIP gain was a worthwhile insurance policy. |
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