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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 22, 2023 18:33:43 GMT
Sure, but the current one is the 7th and the 6th (his brother) was a Labour councillor. Well, clearly the brothers were not in accord politically, but the 7th earl is clearly the son of the father in that respect. Conrad Russell was a Labour parliamentary candidate before joining the Liberals (and of course his father Bertrand was a Labour peer) |
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Post by aargauer on May 22, 2023 18:36:16 GMT
No self respecting Earl should live in Lewisham. The Honourable Colin Moynihan, Lewisham East, 1983-1992, subsequently succeeded to family Baronetcy in 1997, I think. Lives near Tunbridge Wells. Itself a bit of a dump. Most overrated town going. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 22, 2023 18:43:25 GMT
No self respecting Earl should live in Lewisham. The Honourable Colin Moynihan, Lewisham East, 1983-1992, subsequently succeeded to family Baronetcy in 1997, I think. One of the last contested successions I think; Sir Nicholas Lyell, as Attorney General, had to argue Colin’s case before the House of Lords Privileges Committee who ruled: “that neither of the two sons purporting to be the sons of the Third Baron can, in fact, be an heir to the peerage. In the case of the elder, Andrew, the committee was shown overwhelming genetic evidence that he cannot be the son of the late Lord Moynihan; and so far as the younger, Daniel, is concerned, the evidence clearly shows that he is the child of a bigamous marriage and is therefore illegitimate. In those circumstances, it is clear beyond doubt that the petitioner, Colin Moynihan, must be the rightful heir and that his Petitions must succeed.” |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 22, 2023 23:52:24 GMT
Wierd list, considering the Belhaven and Stenton were Conservative peers and the previous Lord Russell, Labour. Although the 13th Lord Belhaven & Stenton (the present Lord's father) did for a time switch to the SNP before returning. He was never a supporter of Scottish independence. IIRC the 2nd Lord was a strong opponent of the Act of Union on the grand principle of... not being bribed to support it despite previously being in favour. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 23, 2023 0:34:41 GMT
The Honourable Colin Moynihan, Lewisham East, 1983-1992, subsequently succeeded to family Baronetcy in 1997, I think. Barony, not baronetcy. He is the 4th Baron Moynihan of Leeds in the county of York. And has an Olympic silver medal from coxing the men's eight at the 1980 Moscow games. And was indeed the Miniature for Sport for a while. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 23, 2023 0:53:40 GMT
Barony, not baronetcy. He is the 4th Baron Moynihan of Leeds in the county of York. And has an Olympic silver medal from coxing the men's eight at the 1980 Moscow games. And was indeed the Miniature for Sport for a while. Mr Subutteo as Dennis Skinner once dubbed him. |
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Post by minionofmidas on May 24, 2023 6:38:26 GMT
The Honourable Colin Moynihan, Lewisham East, 1983-1992, subsequently succeeded to family Baronetcy in 1997, I think. Barony, not baronetcy. He is the 4th Baron Moynihan of Leeds in the county of York. And has an Olympic silver medal from coxing the men's eight at the 1980 Moscow games. Which it's safe to say no self-respecting Earl should have taken any part in, so it all adds up. |
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Post by richardh on May 24, 2023 7:14:40 GMT
The Daily Telegraph obituary in 1991 of the 3rd Lord Moynihan was a classic. It started: “The Third Lord Moynihan, who has died in Manila, aged 55, provided through his character and career ample ammunition for critics of the hereditary principle. His chief occupations were bongo drummer, confidence trickster, brothel-keeper, drug-smuggler and police informer.”
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Post by The Bishop on May 24, 2023 10:29:53 GMT
These days, he would be in the running for the Tory leadership  |
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Post by aargauer on May 24, 2023 16:49:05 GMT
They missed bigamist
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Post by Khunanup on May 24, 2023 19:05:50 GMT
The Daily Telegraph obituary in 1991 of the 3rd Lord Moynihan was a classic. It started: “The Third Lord Moynihan, who has died in Manila, aged 55, provided through his character and career ample ammunition for critics of the hereditary principle. His chief occupations were bongo drummer, confidence trickster, brothel-keeper, drug-smuggler and police informer.” 'You could appoint him as a High Court Judge'... |
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Post by uthacalthing on May 24, 2023 21:32:46 GMT
has an Olympic silver medal from coxing the men's eight at the 1980 Moscow games. in contravention of Mrs Thatcher's requested boycott. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 24, 2023 22:09:11 GMT
has an Olympic silver medal from coxing the men's eight at the 1980 Moscow games. in contravention of Mrs Thatcher's requested boycott. Along with Seb Coe, who went one better by winning a Gold medal. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2023 22:20:04 GMT
These days, he would be in the running for the Tory leadership Lived experience. Nowt wrong with that. 😉 |
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Post by uthacalthing on May 24, 2023 22:25:28 GMT
PC Geoff Capes was favourite for gold in the shot putt and had to leave the Police to compete. As such he was forced to turn pro after the Olympics
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Post by johnloony on May 24, 2023 22:35:25 GMT
PC Geoff Capes was favourite for gold in the shot putt and had to leave the Police to compete. As such he was forced to turn pro after the Olympics What’s that got to do with the House of Lords? |
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Post by riccimarsh on May 24, 2023 22:45:18 GMT
And was indeed the Miniature for Sport for a while. Mr Subutteo as Dennis Skinner once dubbed him. This is a new sentence for me. |
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Post by riccimarsh on May 24, 2023 22:47:52 GMT
PC Geoff Capes was favourite for gold in the shot putt and had to leave the Police to compete. As such he was forced to turn pro after the Olympics What’s that got to do with the House of Lords? To be fair even comments about the House of Lords are unwelcome in this thread. We must strictly limit ourselves to the discussion of by-elections of Hereditary Peers. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 24, 2023 22:49:56 GMT
PC Geoff Capes was favourite for gold in the shot putt and had to leave the Police to compete. As such he was forced to turn pro after the Olympics What’s that got to do with the House of Lords? It’s connected to our little detour down the route of two future Tory MPs and Peers attending the Olympics that their beloved leader wanted them to boycott. Do keep up, you should be well used to the diverse tangents discussions can take on here. Who knows, had PC Capes lived up to his favourite status and come home with a Gold medal (or any medal), along with his “for services to budgies”, he might have earned himself a place on the red benches. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 24, 2023 22:53:09 GMT
Mr Subutteo as Dennis Skinner once dubbed him. This is a new sentence for me. It was at a Party Conference, presumably when Moynihan was Sports Minister, and I’m guessing, as you don’t usually associate Dennis with Conference speeches on sport, despite a lifetime of cycling and running, he was winding up a debate on behalf of the NEC. Just off the top of my head, I’m pretty sure Moynihan was Sports Minister charged with introducing Thatcher’s football ID card scheme, so the debate may have been on that. |
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