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Post by tonygreaves on Jul 7, 2013 20:10:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 20:15:54 GMT
You don't say much on here, my noble friend, but what you do say is ruddy interesting.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 7, 2013 20:16:23 GMT
Only in Britain. Can only hope it won't be for much longer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 20:19:36 GMT
"Ampthill, L. (Conservative)
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United Kingdom, understatement, rain, Hornblower, the law...."
Oh, Lord Ampthill, you jester!
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Post by libfozzy on Jul 7, 2013 21:20:24 GMT
Only in Britain. Still. The idea of electing a new Hereditary Peer via AV is kinda wrinkling my brain.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 7, 2013 21:23:50 GMT
Particularly with so few voters.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 7, 2013 22:39:19 GMT
Trying not to do a Dan Hodges, but this one will probably be won by Lord Stockton.
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Post by innocentabroad on Jul 8, 2013 7:18:42 GMT
"Ampthill, L. (Conservative) LIKES United Kingdom, understatement, rain, Hornblower, the law...." Oh, Lord Ampthill, you jester! Since he likes Hornblower I was expecting him to dislike Aubrey/Maturin... |
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Post by innocentabroad on Jul 8, 2013 7:21:03 GMT
Perhaps we should hold a dummy election on here. I'd go for the deaf guy...
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Post by Devonian on Jul 16, 2013 21:27:37 GMT
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Post by Philip Davies on Jul 16, 2013 21:48:14 GMT
His father Quintin won the famous 1938 Oxford by-election with the Munich agreement the main issue. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 17, 2013 14:54:58 GMT
Lord Borwick has won - he's the husband of Victoria Borwick, Conservative member of the London Assembly.
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Post by Devonian on Jul 17, 2013 17:33:23 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 17, 2013 18:36:08 GMT
The Parliament website has rather misleadingly combined figures from different rounds of the election.
In the penultimate round the votes were Borwick 135, Hailsham 117, Stockton 61.
The final round was Borwick 160, Hailsham 129.
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Post by Devonian on Jul 17, 2013 20:54:39 GMT
A quick look at the performance of the candidates by party
First Labour. It was noticable that there was no Labour party candidate in this by election. There is no reason to believe that a Labour party candidate could not have done well. There are more Labour members of the House of Lords than Conservatives. They didn't have any candidates in the last whole house by election in July 2011. They had two candidates in the March 2011 whole house by election, one of whom won. They also had a candidate who came second in the 2005 whole house by election.
You would have thought there would be at least one Labour hereditary peer who would want a place in the House of Lords. When there was a by election in 2003 for one of the four seats reserved for Labour hereditary peers there were 11 candidates wanting to be elected by the three voters (in your face Old Sarum!) I have to wonder whether Labour have decided to advise Labour hereditary peers not to run for some reason.
Edit - See reply below
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Post by Devonian on Jul 17, 2013 21:39:03 GMT
Second UKIP
There was one UKIP candidate, Viscount Massereene and Ferrard. He received 3 votes. As there are exactly 3 UKIP members of the House of Lords it looks very much as though he received his votes on a strictly party political basis. It seems that all three UKIP lords voted for him and no one else did. The fact that no one else apparently voted for him would also suggest there are no defections to UKIP imminent in the Lords
Viscount Massereene and Ferrard was eliminated in round six having not received any transfer votes before this. One of his votes was not transferred at this stage and the other two went to Lord Borwick.
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Post by Devonian on Jul 17, 2013 22:05:41 GMT
Third Lib Dems
There were two candidates from the Lib Dems, the Earl of Carlisle and Lord Kennet. In the first round Carlisle got 3 votes and Kennet got 17. Given that there are 89 Lib Dem members in the House of Lords that indicates that most of them either didn't bother to vote or possibly didn't vote on party political lines. Edit - see reply below
The Earl of Carlisle did not receive any transfers before being eliminated in the fifth round. Two of his votes transferred to Lord Kennet whilst the other went to Lord Borwick. Lord Kennet the picked up one more transfer in the eleventh round (from crossbencher Lord Napier and Ettrick) before being eliminated in the fourteenth round. At that point twelve of his twenty votes went to Earl of Stockton. Three votes went to Lord Borwick, two to the Earl of Harrowby (also Conservative), and one to Viscount Hailsham. Two more votes were not transferred.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 17, 2013 22:49:28 GMT
You would have thought there would be at least one Labour hereditary peer who would want a place in the House of Lords. I'm pretty sure Lord Monkswell still does. But it's also quite clear that there was a strong feeling that since the late Lord Reay had been a Conservative, his successor ought also to be a Conservative. |
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Post by Devonian on Jul 18, 2013 5:37:33 GMT
You would have thought there would be at least one Labour hereditary peer who would want a place in the House of Lords. I'm pretty sure Lord Monkswell still does. But it's also quite clear that there was a strong feeling that since the late Lord Reay had been a Conservative, his successor ought also to be a Conservative. You're absolutely right. I should have spotted that already. All five of the whole house by elections have been won by someone from the same party as the peer they were replace (3 Conservative, 1 Crossbench, 1 Labour). In this election Conservatives got 300 out of 334 first round votes. In July 2011 after the death of crossbencher Lord Ampthill Crossbenchers got 234 of 313 first round votes. In March 2011 after the death of Labour's Lord Strabolgi Labour got 254 out of 414 first round votes. Lord Monkswell did stand in 2005 after a Conservative peer died. It may not have been obvious then that the convention would be to vote in someone of the same party. It is obvious now so I imagine Lord Monkswell didn't stand for that reason. That would also explain the very low Lib Dem scores this time. |
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Post by Devonian on Jul 18, 2013 6:04:21 GMT
Finally the Conservative candidates.
The Conservatives were the ones defending the seat so in line with convention they got most of the first round votes, 300 out of 334. 261 of these 300 went to just four candidates in the first round Lord Borwick (104), Viscount Hailsham (104), the Earl of Stockton (34) and the Earl of Harrowby (23).
The Earl of Harrowby was eliminated in the 16th round.
By the 15th round -
The Earl of Harrowby had received 8 transfers (6 from Conservative, 2 from Lib Dem)
The Earl of Stockton had 22 transfers (8 Conservative, 2 Crossbench, 12 Lib Dem)
Viscount Hailsham had 9 transfers (7 Conservative, 1 Crossbench, 1 Lib Dems)
Lord Borwick had 16 transfers (7 Conservative, 2 UKIP, 2 Crossbench, 4 Lib Dem)
Harrowby's votes then transferred 5 to Stockton, 4 to Hailsham, 15 to Borwick, 7 not transferred.
Stockton's votes then transferred 12 to Hailsham, 15 to Borwick, 34 not transferred
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