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Post by greenchristian on May 15, 2021 11:44:33 GMT
Why is one of the Cons being elected by the whole house whilst the other three are only being elected by the Conservative life peers? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 15, 2021 12:01:11 GMT
Why is one of the Cons being elected by the whole house whilst the other three are only being elected by the Conservative life peers? Because the excepted hereditary peers are divided into a group of 15 elected by the whole House (originally intended to serve as Deputy Speakers), and the 75 elected from party groups. Two of the vacancies is in the former group, three in the Conservative and on in the Labour section of the latter. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 6, 2021 21:20:20 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 5, 2021 16:55:35 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Jul 6, 2021 0:20:05 GMT
Whichever journalist wrote that article is obviously the most catastrophically insane hallucinatory nincompoop that has ever existed. If he or she had bothered to do any research into the matter, he or she would have noticed that it is physically impossible for the 90-year-old former curate of St George’s Church in Beckenham, Kent to be elected to fill the vacancy, because there is no such place. He may be the curate of St George’s Church, Beckenham, in which case he is not the former curate of any church in Kent; or he could be the former curate of St George’s Church in Kent, in which case he is not the former curate of St George’s Church, Beckenham, but he cannot be the curate of a church in a place which does not exist. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 6, 2021 6:30:49 GMT
Whichever journalist wrote that article is obviously the most catastrophically insane hallucinatory nincompoop that has ever existed. If he or she had bothered to do any research into the matter, he or she would have noticed that it is physically impossible for the 90-year-old former curate of St George’s Church in Beckenham, Kent to be elected to fill the vacancy, because there is no such place. He may be the curate of St George’s Church, Beckenham, in which case he is not the former curate of any church in Kent; or he could be the former curate of St George’s Church in Kent, in which case he is not the former curate of St George’s Church, Beckenham, but he cannot be the curate of a church in a place which does not exist. Maybe he was curate (he is 90, after all) before local government re-organisation when Beckenham was in Kent? |
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Post by neilm on Jul 6, 2021 14:55:07 GMT
Whichever journalist wrote that article is obviously the most catastrophically insane hallucinatory nincompoop that has ever existed. If he or she had bothered to do any research into the matter, he or she would have noticed that it is physically impossible for the 90-year-old former curate of St George’s Church in Beckenham, Kent to be elected to fill the vacancy, because there is no such place. He may be the curate of St George’s Church, Beckenham, in which case he is not the former curate of any church in Kent; or he could be the former curate of St George’s Church in Kent, in which case he is not the former curate of St George’s Church, Beckenham, but he cannot be the curate of a church in a place which does not exist. Maybe he was curate (he is 90, after all) before local government re-organisation when Beckenham was in Kent? Beat me to it. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 13, 2021 0:43:30 GMT
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jul 13, 2021 5:33:57 GMT
Thankfully sons have never been clones of fathers.
I like the Quote at the end. A Conservative peer welcomed Benn’s elevation, saying: “If he serves the Lords as well as his father served his constituents then he will be a very respected member.”
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 13, 2021 8:09:53 GMT
The 3rd Viscount Stansgate will be a very welcome addition to the scientists in the Lords - having been Parliamentary Officer for the Royal Society of Chemistry and now for the Royal Society of Biology.
But his election to the Lords has two other positive aspects. First, it highlights the absurdity of the Lords byelections, which were insisted upon as part of the 1999 reforms as a sort of backstop against the interim House being permanent on the basis that they were so obviously absurd no government would ever allow them actually to take place.
Second and more amusingly it neatly provokes the (Tony) Bennites eg Lansman. In practice, Tony Benn was very proud of his family whatever their views, and ghosted people who even joked that he was disappointed with Hilary becoming a Blairite cabinet member.
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 13, 2021 8:20:28 GMT
The 3rd Viscount Stansgate will be a very welcome addition to the scientists in the Lords - having been Parliamentary Officer for the Royal Society of Chemistry and now for the Royal Society of Biology. But his election to the Lords has two other positive aspects. First, it highlights the absurdity of the Lords byelections, which were insisted upon as part of the 1999 reforms as a sort of backstop against the interim House being permanent on the basis that they were so obviously absurd no government would ever allow them actually to take place. Second and more amusingly it neatly provokes the (Tony) Bennites eg Lansman. In practice, Tony Benn was very proud of his family whatever their views, and ghosted people who even joked that he was disappointed with Hilary becoming a Blairite cabinet member. My view is that while the system exists, then Labour or any other party should participate in it. If Benn hadn't taken this action it would have done nothing to alter the system itself and I don't actually agree with Lansman - I don't think his decision then can be applied now. The circumstances are not comparable. Benn made it clear enough that he thought that the Lords should change, but given the decision of the Commons, it hasn't changed enough. So if the new Viscount Stansgate wants to use his peerage to make a contribution then why shouldn't he under the current rules? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jul 13, 2021 8:45:15 GMT
Thankfully sons have never been clones of fathers.
I like the Quote at the end. A Conservative peer welcomed Benn’s elevation, saying: “If he serves the Lords as well as his father served his constituents then he will be a very respected member.”
Was Tony Benn renowned for being an assiduous constituency MP? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 15, 2021 14:25:33 GMT
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Post by neilm on Jul 15, 2021 15:33:23 GMT
Around a year younger than Baroness Penn. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 17, 2021 19:17:02 GMT
Around a year younger than Baroness Penn. This made me wonder how young you need to be to be the youngest member of the doffers, so I googled Lord Harlech and the "knowledge panel" informs me he died in 1985. (Which happens to be a year before the birth of the grandson who is the current Lord Harlech. Still too young to serve in the Italian Senate!) |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 17, 2021 20:10:09 GMT
Around a year younger than Baroness Penn. This made me wonder how young you need to be to be the youngest member of the doffers, so I googled Lord Harlech and the "knowledge panel" informs me he died in 1985. He was killed in a car crash. |
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Post by neilm on Jul 17, 2021 20:25:17 GMT
Around a year younger than Baroness Penn. This made me wonder how young you need to be to be the youngest member of the doffers, so I googled Lord Harlech and the "knowledge panel" informs me he died in 1985. (Which happens to be a year before the birth of the grandson who is the current Lord Harlech. Still too young to serve in the Italian Senate!) And only just old enough for the US one. That Lord Harlech had an impressive nose. |
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Post by Wisconsin on Jul 17, 2021 23:48:05 GMT
Any idea why they picked this child? I can’t find any details of his career or education. EDIT: Found his candidature statement. Harlech, L.Having lived and worked in North Wales and London, I feel that I have a balanced view of rural and urban matters. I have the capacity and drive to be a regular serving member of the House, if elected. Areas of interest: Heritage, farming, housing, rural affairs, culture, media and sport. Serving committee member: CLA Cymru, Historic Homes Wales. Education: Eton College, Central Saint Martins Army Reservist: The London Regiment (attested Jan 2019) |
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Post by neilm on Jul 18, 2021 6:33:23 GMT
Any idea why they picked this child? I can’t find any details of his career or education. I think the key there is 'child.' He's young enough to be active whereas the rest were a set of old duffers, in large part trying to get back a job or job prospect they lost 22 years ago. |
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Post by maxque on Jul 18, 2021 14:16:15 GMT
Any idea why they picked this child? I can’t find any details of his career or education. I think the key there is 'child.' He's young enough to be active whereas the rest were a set of old duffers, in large part trying to get back a job or job prospect they lost 22 years ago. Many of those lords are running in those elections since then. If they were popular and liked by the electorate, they would have been back in the Lords already. |
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