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Post by Merseymike on Mar 27, 2019 19:46:20 GMT
Isn't that Nicholas Mosley? Nicholas died in 2017; this is his 37-year-old son Daniel. I think it's his grandson? Son of his son Shaun who predeceased him in 2009 |
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Post by curiousliberal on Mar 27, 2019 19:49:05 GMT
Nicholas died in 2017; this is his 37-year-old son Daniel. I think it's his grandson? Son of his son Shaun who predeceased him in 2009 My mistake - he is the great-grandson of Oswald, so that would be correct. It's ironic that a system which elects people based on the virtues of one's forbears picks him. |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 27, 2019 20:00:41 GMT
I think it's his grandson? Son of his son Shaun who predeceased him in 2009 My mistake - he is the great-grandson of Oswald, so that would be correct. It's ironic that a system which elects people based on the virtues of one's forbears picks him. Nicholas was quite an impressive character though and entirely rejected fascism. I don't know anything at all about his grandson, though |
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 27, 2019 20:17:26 GMT
I think it's his grandson? Son of his son Shaun who predeceased him in 2009 My mistake - he is the great-grandson of Oswald, so that would be correct. It's ironic that a system which elects people based on the virtues of one's forbears picks him. Although he inherited the title via his great-grandmother, who was Lord Curzon's daughter. Nicholas was a peer for the last fourteen years of Oswald's life, a rare case of the eldest son outranking a father. The title had special remainder to pass through Curzon's daughters, with the 2nd Baroness being one of the first women to sit in the Lords when she was made a life peer in 1958. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 27, 2019 20:25:33 GMT
My mistake - he is the great-grandson of Oswald, so that would be correct. It's ironic that a system which elects people based on the virtues of one's forbears picks him. Nicholas was quite an impressive character though and entirely rejected fascism. I don't know anything at all about his grandson, though Nicholas found out about his father's re-marriage two years after it happened, from the Sunday papers. The best man had been one A Hitler The venue was the house of a Mr Goebbels
Later on he wrote a biography of Trotsky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 18:28:09 GMT
‘The best man had been one A Hitler’
Difficult to beat that as dinner table conversation.
I always find these by-elections interesting because they reintroduce us to some very well known titles, with fascinating histories of former holders.
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Post by samdwebber on Mar 31, 2020 12:10:00 GMT
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Post by neilm on Apr 1, 2020 8:39:59 GMT
Do electors all get sent a booklet of candidate statements or do they purely see it online?
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Post by curiousliberal on Apr 1, 2020 14:23:18 GMT
As I mentioned in the Lords thread, he was not non-affiliated at the time the hereditary peers were re-selected in 1999 and was picked exclusively by the Conservative Group, so (if I'm not mistaken) the by-election's selectorate will be limited to that group of peers. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Apr 4, 2020 0:07:45 GMT
This slipped under my radar, but a few days ago, a motion passed suspending all hereditary peer by-elections until September 8, 2020.
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 9, 2020 15:01:52 GMT
Yes the Selborne vacancy is a Conservative vacancy so the voters will be those sitting hereds who take the Conservative Whip. (There are of course no "non-affiliated" by-elections since the category did not exist in 1999. The election addresses from peers do not need a booklet as there is quite a short word limit on them - it's usually just a green sheet of A4 or two available in the Printed Paper Office in the Lords. Candidates are entitled to send messages/letters or whatever to the voters and some of them do so. September 8 is the day the summer recess is at present timetabled to end.
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 9, 2020 15:05:06 GMT
Lord Southampton appears to have stood in both the most recent by-elections, one for the X-benches and one for the Conservatives. He got zero votes in each case. (You can, if qualified to stand, stand for any of the by-elections. If it's for one of the "group" by-elections - Con, Lab, LD or XB - you have to sign a paper agreeing to join that group if elected. I don't think the groups are asked in advance if they will accept a particular candidate.)
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 29, 2020 9:20:40 GMT
This slipped under my radar, but a few days ago, a motion passed suspending all hereditary peer by-elections until September 8, 2020. First in the queue |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 29, 2020 9:27:35 GMT
Unsusprising, given that the vast majority of hereditary titles in the UK pass through male-line primogeniture. How many are there that pass also through the female line?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 9:52:42 GMT
Unsusprising, given that the vast majority of hereditary titles in the UK pass through male-line primogeniture. How many are there that pass also through the female line? There are some, such as the 31st Countess of Mar, whose family is said to have descended from Pictish rulers in Aberdeenshire, though their origins are lost to history. Charles II had children by his mistress Barbara Villiers. As a reward for her services, the King created her husband, Roger Palmer, Baron Limerick and Earl of Castlemaine in 1661. Unusually, and rather humiliatingly for him, these titles were given with the stipulation that they would only be passed down through Roger's heirs by Barbara, and thus served as a way for the king to provide titles for any illegitimate children by her. Castlemaine and his wife officially separated in 1662, following the birth of her first son. Barbara later became 1st Duchess of Cleveland. A number of titles have "bespoke" rules of succession. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 29, 2020 10:32:56 GMT
Unsusprising, given that the vast majority of hereditary titles in the UK pass through male-line primogeniture. How many are there that pass also through the female line? There are some, such as the 31st Countess of Mar, whose family is said to have descended from Pictish rulers in Aberdeenshire, though their origins are lost to history. Charles II had children by his mistress Barbara Villiers. As a reward for her services, the King created her husband, Roger Palmer, Baron Limerick and Earl of Castlemaine in 1661. Unusually, and rather humiliatingly for him, these titles were given with the stipulation that they would only be passed down through Roger's heirs by Barbara, and thus served as a way for the king to provide titles for any illegitimate children by her. Castlemaine and his wife officially separated in 1662, following the birth of her first son. Barbara later became 1st Duchess of Cleveland. A number of titles have "bespoke" rules of succession. Ah, so in the end Castlemaine didn't give an XXXX ...  |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 1, 2020 12:45:28 GMT
I think we've discussed this before but what happens if there are multiple vacancies in a single block? Will there be multiple single member by-elections, mutli-member AV, STV or block voting?
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Post by heslingtonian on May 1, 2020 15:55:22 GMT
This slipped under my radar, but a few days ago, a motion passed suspending all hereditary peer by-elections until September 8, 2020. First in the queue The sheep dipping industry will rejoice at this news. |
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Post by andrewteale on May 1, 2020 16:48:00 GMT
I think we've discussed this before but what happens if there are multiple vacancies in a single block? Will there be multiple single member by-elections, mutli-member AV, STV or block voting? The House of Lords Act 1999 left the Lords to make provision for by-elections via Standing Orders. Lords Standing Order 10 simply says that the Clerk of the Parliaments is responsible for making all the arrangements, so if this question arises I imagine it would up to him to make that call. |
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