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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 2, 2021 21:00:48 GMT
I wonder if it was possible to buy a ticket from Manchester Victoria to Manchester Exchange given the through platforms? I suppose the nearest equivalent now would be Victoria to Salford Central or Piccadilly to Oxford Road? All tickets now seem to give a generic Manchester City Centre name rather than specifying individual stations. I doubt if any trains stopped at both Victoria and Exchange so any journey would have to go via . . . somewhere! I wonder where given one was LNW and the other L&Y ?
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Post by john07 on Jan 2, 2021 21:16:48 GMT
I wonder if it was possible to buy a ticket from Manchester Victoria to Manchester Exchange given the through platforms? I suppose the nearest equivalent now would be Victoria to Salford Central or Piccadilly to Oxford Road? All tickets now seem to give a generic Manchester City Centre name rather than specifying individual stations. I have certainly bought a Salford Central to Manchester Victoria ticket, on more than one occasion. The Manchester Stations entity is a little complex depending on where you're coming from. Crewe to M/cr Stations appears to cover Picc, Oxfd Rd and Deansgate but not Victoria. A Bolton to M/cr Stations presumably covers all of them. Rochdale to M/cr Stations? God knows! Travelling from Scotland, we usually get off at Oxford Road rather than Piccadilly as it is slightly nearer to our normal hotel. Sometimes (on a Sunday) the train arrives at Victoria. On occasions, if there is a run on hotels in Central Manchester, we will stay out at Salford Quays. It is much easier to get off at Deansgate and cross the bridge to the Metrolink Station at Deansgate/Castlefields. Generally, the tickets (from Edinburgh) will not open the automatic barriers at Oxford Road. There are no automatic barriers at Piccadilly. In fact there are no barriers at all if you use the lift down from Platform 13/14!
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Post by Foggy on Jan 2, 2021 22:53:49 GMT
I wonder if it was possible to buy a ticket from Manchester Victoria to Manchester Exchange given the through platforms? I suppose the nearest equivalent now would be Victoria to Salford Central or Piccadilly to Oxford Road? All tickets now seem to give a generic Manchester City Centre name rather than specifying individual stations. Piccadilly to Oxford Road is definitely available. £2.40. Bargain!!! Per-yard, probably cheaper than Oxford Road to Deansgate, £2.30. Yes, according to data from Google Maps, with the two usual caveats that distances are just an estimate and I might've done my maths wrong. I make it about £3.07/km for the latter ticket and £2.67/km for the former one. Almost exactly eleven years ago, I somehow ended up walking from Piccadilly to Oxford Road with three acquaintances whilst we tried to find the old Granada Studios (you can probably guess why). With clearly no navigational skills among the quarter, eventually we just had to get a taxi there! Even further back, I knew how to get to Maine Road if dropped off anywhere in Moss Side (!) but apart from that I hardly know my way around the city at all.
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Post by hullenedge on Jan 6, 2021 10:47:17 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 6, 2021 13:02:36 GMT
Don't get me started on that one yet *again*
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Jan 6, 2021 13:10:47 GMT
Don't get me started on that one yet *again* You thought it would be a nailed on Lab hold?
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Post by Izzyeviel on Jan 6, 2021 14:52:46 GMT
How many times has the US Senate been 50/50? ( From the Wash Post)
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 7, 2021 12:53:07 GMT
Don't get me started on that one yet *again* You thought it would be a nailed on Lab hold? LibDems handed it to the Tories, blatantly and deliberately. And the outgoing MP was brazenly libelled by them.
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Post by grahammurray on Jan 7, 2021 12:59:46 GMT
You thought it would be a nailed on Lab hold? LibDems handed it to the Tories, blatantly and deliberately. And the outgoing MP was brazenly libelled by them. They handed it to the Tories by fielding a sitting Conservative MP? How does that work?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 14:18:51 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 7, 2021 14:21:56 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling Ok....it could be argued that given the Brexit issue and demography, Labour was set to lose all those seats mentioned Kensington on the other hand, has demographic make-up and Brexit voting patterns that may have suggested that Labour would have held the seat had the LibDems not put so much effort into it, and moreover, did their often-used trick of making out they were the main challengers to the Tories. And fought a campaign worthy of Trump.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 7, 2021 14:54:33 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling The outright lying about Emma Dent Coad and blaming her for Grenfell. That's why. She is absolutely not from my wing of the party but I'm just as incensed about it, especially when you look at the margin by which she lost.
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Post by Izzyeviel on Jan 7, 2021 14:58:55 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling The outright lying about Emma Dent Coad and blaming her for Grenfell. That's why. She is absolutely not from my wing of the party but I'm just as incensed about it, especially when you look at the margin by which she lost. now you know how we feel
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 7, 2021 16:09:52 GMT
Please explain. Don't know of any Lib Dems wrongly accused of being responsible for 72 people dying.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 7, 2021 17:09:49 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling The Lib Dems can be as bad - look how many thought they were somehow entitled to a free run in Finchley & Golders Green and that Labour campaigning heavily in a borough where all three seats were ultra marginal Conservative-Labour contests (even in 2017 post the Chakrabarti report) and where both the council and London Assembly seat have been strongly fought between the two major parties for years was just deliberately targetting someone starting from a barely-saving-their-deposit position out of spite.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 7, 2021 17:12:48 GMT
I wonder if it was possible to buy a ticket from Manchester Victoria to Manchester Exchange given the through platforms? I suppose the nearest equivalent now would be Victoria to Salford Central or Piccadilly to Oxford Road? All tickets now seem to give a generic Manchester City Centre name rather than specifying individual stations. I have certainly bought a Salford Central to Manchester Victoria ticket, on more than one occasion. The Manchester Stations entity is a little complex depending on where you're coming from. Crewe to M/cr Stations appears to cover Picc, Oxfd Rd and Deansgate but not Victoria. A Bolton to M/cr Stations presumably covers all of them. Rochdale to M/cr Stations? God knows! We have traditionally had similar in London - it used to be the case that you could only go to same side stations but were allowed to interchange en route but then south to north routes like Thameslink and the West London Line came to life and it's now all a bit confusing.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 7, 2021 17:22:10 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling The Lib Dems can be as bad - look how many thought they were somehow entitled to a free run in Finchley & Golders Green and that Labour campaigning heavily in a borough where all three seats were ultra marginal Conservative-Labour contests (even in 2017 post the Chakrabarti report) and where both the council and London Assembly seat have been strongly fought between the two major parties for years was just deliberately targetting someone starting from a barely-saving-their-deposit position out of spite. Oh no doubt that the Lib Dems are not 'as bad' but historically considerably worse in this respect.
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Post by Izzyeviel on Jan 7, 2021 17:29:26 GMT
Please explain. Don't know of any Lib Dems wrongly accused of being responsible for 72 people dying. just hundreds of thousands of deaths due to being in coalition... (but i was referring to all the places Lib Dems could've won if not for aggressive campaigning against us by Labour)
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Post by iain on Jan 7, 2021 18:06:51 GMT
I really don't fathom the Bishop's bizarre obsession with this result. Of all the seats Labour lost in December 2019 - Bolsover, Burnley, Blyth, Rother Valley, Leigh, Wrexham, Redcar - the one that keeps him up at night is Kensington?? a seat that has only once elected a Labour MP (and that was a total fluke largely facilitated by Conservatives defecting to the Lib Dems). The sense of entitlement attached to this constituency is truly baffling The Lib Dems can be as bad - look how many thought they were somehow entitled to a free run in Finchley & Golders Green and that Labour campaigning heavily in a borough where all three seats were ultra marginal Conservative-Labour contests (even in 2017 post the Chakrabarti report) and where both the council and London Assembly seat have been strongly fought between the two major parties for years was just deliberately targetting someone starting from a barely-saving-their-deposit position out of spite. I don't know of any Lib Dem thinking we were entitled to a free run in Finchley. What was objected to was Labour sending reinforcements there on the day to try and ensure that their defector lost, rather than so that they could win. They did the same in Cities. As for Kensington, the allegations of a hideously dirty campaign seem to stem from one comment from Sam Gyimah. I'm not defending what he said, but saying the Lib Dem campaign was dirty is a complete misrepresentation. Also, for all the laughable whining about how we deliberately cost them the seat, I seem to remember Emma Dent Coad saying early on in the night (when she thought she had narrowly held rather than lost) that she had won because of the strong Lib Dem campaign impacting the Conservative vote more.
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Post by maxque on Jan 7, 2021 18:21:10 GMT
The Lib Dems can be as bad - look how many thought they were somehow entitled to a free run in Finchley & Golders Green and that Labour campaigning heavily in a borough where all three seats were ultra marginal Conservative-Labour contests (even in 2017 post the Chakrabarti report) and where both the council and London Assembly seat have been strongly fought between the two major parties for years was just deliberately targetting someone starting from a barely-saving-their-deposit position out of spite. I don't know of any Lib Dem thinking we were entitled to a free run in Finchley. What was objected to was Labour sending reinforcements there on the day to try and ensure that their defector lost, rather than so that they could win. They did the same in Cities. As for Kensington, the allegations of a hideously dirty campaign seem to stem from one comment from Sam Gyimah. I'm not defending what he said, but saying the Lib Dem campaign was dirty is a complete misrepresentation. Also, for all the laughable whining about how we deliberately cost them the seat, I seem to remember Emma Dent Coad saying early on in the night (when she thought she had narrowly held rather than lost) that she had won because of the strong Lib Dem campaign impacting the Conservative vote more. It was obvious Sam Gyimah would play dirty and LDs both accepted his defection and selected him as a candidate.
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