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Post by carlton43 on Oct 3, 2024 22:03:46 GMT
I know. Isn't it succulent though? Like a Chinese meal. Yes, Yes! It will leave one unsatisfied and wanting more... I have more. Be not afraid. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 4, 2024 5:56:33 GMT
I'll say this.
The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse.
Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen.
And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in.
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Post by spinach on Oct 4, 2024 8:25:41 GMT
Most likely result would be a Yes win with about 60-70% of the vote share. I feel most of the population nowadays are accepting of gay rights and most people have a live and let live attitude. Results would likely mirror the Australian referendum, with a few surprises regarding some urban constituencies due to high no vote among religious ethnic minorities. Such voters would also be more motivated to vote compared no voting White British voters (which has been demonstrated by the recent petitions and protests against LGBT education - petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=630932 ) Constituencies with highest Yes vote - Brighton Pavilion, Hove, Brighton Kemptown, Bath, Bristol West, Cambridge, Oxford East, Oxford West, Richmond Park, Twickenham, Putney, Wimbledon, Winchester, Battersea, Lewes. Constituencies with highest No vote - Bradford West, Birmingham Ladywood, Birmingham Hodgehill, Leicester South, Blackburn, Luton, Dewsbury and Batley |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 4, 2024 8:53:21 GMT
I'll say this. The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse. Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen. And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in. Were people actually saying that the sky would fall in? |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 4, 2024 9:02:12 GMT
I'll say this. The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse. Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen. And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in. But! But!! Your sky did fall in on the Brexit Referendum! |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 4, 2024 9:41:48 GMT
I'll say this. The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse. Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen. And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in. Were people actually saying that the sky would fall in? Yes, some people. Re the above comment, yes it is likely heavily Muslim seats would have the highest "no" votes in any such referendum - this shouldn't surprise anyone. Maybe the more interesting question is where the most opposition in places *apart from those* would be found. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 4, 2024 9:49:55 GMT
I'll say this. The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse. Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen. And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in. Were people actually saying that the sky would fall in? You know people have been warning about the consequences for generations. Tabloid newspapers in my youth, mouthpieces in today's society. That eventually the slow steps towards equality would be one step too far. The same stuff from the 80s and even into the 90s is getting vomited out now about transgender rights. It's the same warnings against equality, using much of the same rhetoric. |
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Post by spinach on Oct 4, 2024 10:17:21 GMT
Were people actually saying that the sky would fall in? Yes, some people. Re the above comment, yes it is likely heavily Muslim seats would have the highest "no" votes in any such referendum - this shouldn't surprise anyone. Maybe the more interesting question is where the most opposition in places *apart from those* would be found. Areas with higher population of Christians, especially evangelical Christians. North Antrim, East Antrim, Strangford, Western Isles - areas with large historic Presbyterian communities Thamesmead and Erith, Greenwich and Woolwich, Lewisham North, Peckham, Barking - areas with high number of Black African Christians. Perhaps areas with high Hindu populations (Harrow East, Leicester East) would record higher no shares. I feel the results would not mirror the EU referendum. Some urban multicultural areas which voted remain would be No while the likes of Essex, Kent, Norfolk would be Yes. Although I reckon the Liberal Democrat/Conservative seats with high Remain vote shares would record the highest Yes votes. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 4, 2024 10:22:19 GMT
Were people actually saying that the sky would fall in? You know people have been warning about the consequences for generations. Tabloid newspapers in my youth, mouthpieces in today's society. That eventually the slow steps towards equality would be one step too far. The same stuff from the 80s and even into the 90s is getting vomited out now about transgender rights. It's the same warnings against equality, using much of the same rhetoric. I'm not entirely clear what consequences people were warning about back in the day since the first time I paid any attention to the issue was when redefined marriage to include same-sex couples.
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Post by spinach on Oct 4, 2024 10:40:34 GMT
Districts with highest Yes vote -
City of London
Wandsworth
Richmond upon Thames
Brighton and Hove
Merton
City of Edinburgh
Elmbridge
Kensington and Chelsea
Cambridge
Bath and North East Somerset
St Albans
Kingston upon Thames
Most areas in South East, South West, North East and Scotland would probably be Yes
Districts with highest No vote -
North Antrim
East Antrim
Eilean Siar
Blackburn and Darwen
Bradford
Slough
Luton
Birmingham
Newham
Tower Halmets
Redbridge
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Post by iain on Oct 4, 2024 11:12:22 GMT
Yes, some people. Re the above comment, yes it is likely heavily Muslim seats would have the highest "no" votes in any such referendum - this shouldn't surprise anyone. Maybe the more interesting question is where the most opposition in places *apart from those* would be found. Areas with higher population of Christians, especially evangelical Christians. North Antrim, East Antrim, Strangford, Western Isles - areas with large historic Presbyterian communities Thamesmead and Erith, Greenwich and Woolwich, Lewisham North, Peckham, Barking - areas with high number of Black African Christians. Perhaps areas with high Hindu populations (Harrow East, Leicester East) would record higher no shares. I feel the results would not mirror the EU referendum. Some urban multicultural areas which voted remain would be No while the likes of Essex, Kent, Norfolk would be Yes. Although I reckon the Liberal Democrat/Conservative seats with high Remain vote shares would record the highest Yes votes. If you remove ethnic / religious minority voters from the equation, the results would almost certainly mirror those of the EU referendum - doing best in university towns and worst (which is not necessarily to say losing) in e.g. rural Lincolnshire. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Oct 4, 2024 11:27:42 GMT
I'll say this. The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse. Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen. And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in. That last paragraph could be made into a campaign song. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Oct 4, 2024 11:29:30 GMT
I'll say this. The sky hasn't fallen in. The wheels of the state haven't seized up. That is always the warning, isn't it? Oh we can't decriminalise homosexual acts, they sky will fall in. Oh we can't lower the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't equalise the age of consent, the sky will fall in. Oh we can't remove restrictions on joining the armed forces, the sky will fall in. Oh we couldn't possibly permit adoption by same-sex partners, the sky will fall in. Oh, no, it wouldn't be possible to allow civil partnerships, the sky will fall in. Oh don't talk about marriage, the sky would collapse. Underneath the comment section of the local news Facebook group recently has been there usual hatred and mockery because of Preston Pride. I've been here my whole life, I've seen Pride grow from two apologetic stalls tucked away in the corner to a march, singers, drag acts, after parties, the lot. And the negative comments promise that this year there will be violence, this year the march will be stopped, this year will be the end of it, this year will be the event where "the people" won't let it happen. And yet it does. We march. We gather. We party. We kiss in public. We raise our flags. We enjoy ourselves. And the sky doesn't fall in. That last paragraph could be made into a campaign song. That's how gay I am, always wanting to break out into a chorus line. Give them the old razzle dazzle. |
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Post by David Ashforth on Oct 4, 2024 13:37:45 GMT
I know. Isn't it succulent though? Like a Chinese meal. This is democracy manifest. |
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Post by jamie on Oct 5, 2024 11:53:28 GMT
If you remove ethnic / religious minority voters from the equation, the results would almost certainly mirror those of the EU referendum - doing best in university towns and worst (which is not necessarily to say losing) in e.g. rural Lincolnshire. I largely agree, but I suspect there would still be some interesting differences. I can’t help but think of Hunter, the archetypal Australian ‘Red Wall’ electorate, which recorded an above average vote Yes vote. There’s a segment of the electorate which can be strongly nationalist, anti-immigration etc, without it leading to them being any more conservative on moral issues like gay marriage than the rest of the population. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Oct 5, 2024 14:07:39 GMT
What an odd idea for a thread.
When homosexuality was legalised, outraged critics warned that we would end up with openly homosexual teachers. They were denounced as loons. But they were absolutely correct. In my own view, this is not a bad thing, not a good thing, merely a thing
When the Windrush landed some people warned that it would lead to ghettos that did not integrate and interracial sex that did. They were denounced as loons. But they were absolutely correct. In my own view, this is not a bad thing, not a good thing, merely a thing
When the 1967 Abortion Act was passed, some people warned that it would lead to abortion on demand. They were denounced as loons. But they were absolutely correct. In my own view, this is not a bad thing, not a good thing, merely a thing
Parliament is about to discuss the right to die. Some people will warn that it will lead to an expectation to die. They will be denounced as loons. They will be absolutely correct. I my own view, this is not a bad thing, not a good thing, merely a thing
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Post by uthacalthing on Oct 5, 2024 14:09:03 GMT
And BTW, Brexit Derangement Syndrome is still among us. These poor troubled souls.
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Post by cathyc on Oct 5, 2024 15:04:18 GMT
And BTW, Brexit Derangement Syndrome is still among us. These poor troubled souls. They even have 5 MPs. |
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Post by clive on Oct 5, 2024 16:00:55 GMT
It did not help that for some reason the remain campaign hired the very same people who had screwed up so badly with the AV campaign. Not very clever
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Post by spinach on Oct 6, 2024 19:58:22 GMT
If you remove ethnic / religious minority voters from the equation, the results would almost certainly mirror those of the EU referendum - doing best in university towns and worst (which is not necessarily to say losing) in e.g. rural Lincolnshire. I largely agree, but I suspect there would still be some interesting differences. I can’t help but think of Hunter, the archetypal Australian ‘Red Wall’ electorate, which recorded an above average vote Yes vote. There’s a segment of the electorate which can be strongly nationalist, anti-immigration etc, without it leading to them being any more conservative on moral issues like gay marriage than the rest of the population. Most white working class voters aged under 50 in Britain and Australia are socially liberal on most moral issues related to sex and relationship e.g. divorce, sex before marriage, children out of wedlock and casual sex. Logically the same attitude will apply to the acceptance of same sex relationship, especially due to the lack of religious conservative values amongst such group due to an significant decline in religiosity. |
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