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Post by carlton43 on Oct 3, 2024 9:30:24 GMT
Which bit? He seems every inch to be a rather British sort of utter twerp. You've checked? Oh Yes. It had to be done and he was in the next Sheffield constituency so plenty of opportunity. |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 3, 2024 9:41:44 GMT
Oh Yes. It had to be done and he was in the next Sheffield constituency so plenty of opportunity. You seem to be at odds with the Daily Bile, who infamously said, “His wife is Spanish, his mother Dutch, his father half-Russian and his spin doctor German. Is there ANYTHING British about Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg?” |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 3, 2024 10:01:31 GMT
Oh Yes. It had to be done and he was in the next Sheffield constituency so plenty of opportunity. You seem to be at odds with the Daily Bile, who infamously said, “His wife is Spanish, his mother Dutch, his father half-Russian and his spin doctor German. Is there ANYTHING British about Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg?” I don't remember you saying that? But I fail to read most of your output. It is only when you quote or tag than I become 'aware'. I ask others? Do you not feel he had a very British gawky twerp feeling about him? Or was it just me? Dutch ... Yes! Dull plodding wanker. Russian? No! Don't believe it. Dad may have been from a second generation of Revolution escapees who was mixed race and speaking French as a first language? Say no more! |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 3, 2024 10:11:31 GMT
You seem to be at odds with the Daily Bile, who infamously said, “His wife is Spanish, his mother Dutch, his father half-Russian and his spin doctor German. Is there ANYTHING British about Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg?” I don't remember you saying that? But I fail to read most of your output. It is only when you quote or tag than I become 'aware'. I ask others? Do you not feel he had a very British gawky twerp feeling about him? Or was it just me? Dutch ... Yes! Dull plodding wanker. Russian? No! Don't believe it. Dad may have been from a second generation of Revolution escapees who was mixed race and speaking French as a first language? Say no more! No, do say more, this time without the code. Just the other day you were slagging off an expert witnerss at the Covid enquiry who was rammed with experience and qualifications. Your complaint about him was that he "wasn't etchnically British". I assume that was based on him being called Kevin Fong. He may have been a professor, an OBE, anaesthetic lead for Major Incident Planning and a paramedic but you discounted his knowledge because of his gene pool. Just because he's called Kevin, doesn't necessarily make him Irish, you know? If you 'fail to read' most of my output I'm sure there are literacy and reading courses you could take. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 3, 2024 10:26:37 GMT
I don't remember you saying that? But I fail to read most of your output. It is only when you quote or tag than I become 'aware'. I ask others? Do you not feel he had a very British gawky twerp feeling about him? Or was it just me? Dutch ... Yes! Dull plodding wanker. Russian? No! Don't believe it. Dad may have been from a second generation of Revolution escapees who was mixed race and speaking French as a first language? Say no more! No, do say more, this time without the code. Just the other day you were slagging off an expert witnerss at the Covid enquiry who was rammed with experience and qualifications. Your complaint about him was that he "wasn't etchnically British". I assume that was based on him being called Kevin Fong. He may have been a professor, an OBE, anaesthetic lead for Major Incident Planning and a paramedic but you discounted his knowledge because of his gene pool. Just because he's called Kevin, doesn't necessarily make him Irish, you know? If you 'fail to read' most of my output I'm sure there are literacy and reading courses you could take. I associate 'Kevin' with having dimwit dull parents. I do not associate 'Fong' with being Irish. If you think I need those courses out of all the assembled members on this Forum, then what does it say as to what you need? I am too well mannered to advance the rather obvious suggestion!! |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 3, 2024 10:57:00 GMT
No, do say more, this time without the code. Just the other day you were slagging off an expert witnerss at the Covid enquiry who was rammed with experience and qualifications. Your complaint about him was that he "wasn't etchnically British". I assume that was based on him being called Kevin Fong. He may have been a professor, an OBE, anaesthetic lead for Major Incident Planning and a paramedic but you discounted his knowledge because of his gene pool. Just because he's called Kevin, doesn't necessarily make him Irish, you know? If you 'fail to read' most of my output I'm sure there are literacy and reading courses you could take. I associate 'Kevin' with having dimwit dull parents. I do not associate 'Fong' with being Irish. If you think I need those courses out of all the assembled members on this Forum, then what does it say as to what you need? I am too well mannered to advance the rather obvious suggestion!! Oh dear. That was almost without any prejudice (almost) and so utterly plausible. Until the last sentence. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 3, 2024 11:25:15 GMT
I don't remember you saying that? But I fail to read most of your output. It is only when you quote or tag than I become 'aware'. I ask others? Do you not feel he had a very British gawky twerp feeling about him? Or was it just me? Dutch ... Yes! Dull plodding wanker. Russian? No! Don't believe it. Dad may have been from a second generation of Revolution escapees who was mixed race and speaking French as a first language? Say no more! No, do say more, this time without the code. Just the other day you were slagging off an expert witnerss at the Covid enquiry who was rammed with experience and qualifications. Your complaint about him was that he "wasn't etchnically British". I assume that was based on him being called Kevin Fong. He may have been a professor, an OBE, anaesthetic lead for Major Incident Planning and a paramedic but you discounted his knowledge because of his gene pool. Just because he's called Kevin, doesn't necessarily make him Irish, you know? What? Kevin Bacon is Irish? Noooo!!!! |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2024 12:21:08 GMT
Nobody should have to put forward any alternatives. The question is whether to remain under FPTP or leave it, advocates of every other system - even those who don't want it replacing with anything - all gang up on one side and then if they win just bang on that "PR means PR" and "Get PR sorted". This is pretty much exactly what New Zealand did - a referendum on whether to change from FPTP originally, and then a vote on parliament's agreed replacement (MMP) Though it maybe should be noted that the second referendum was quite a lot closer than the first. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 3, 2024 12:31:32 GMT
Nobody should have to put forward any alternatives. The question is whether to remain under FPTP or leave it, advocates of every other system - even those who don't want it replacing with anything - all gang up on one side and then if they win just bang on that "PR means PR" and "Get PR sorted". This is pretty much exactly what New Zealand did - a referendum on whether to change from FPTP originally, and then a vote on parliament's agreed replacement (MMP) Though it maybe should be noted that the second referendum was quite a lot closer than the first. No, that is *not* what New Zealand did. What NZ did was (1) a referendum on which PR system to prefer, with 4 options, and voting by FPTP between those 4 options (AMS a.k.a. MMP won), and then (2) a second referendum in which the choice was between FPTP and MMP. So MMP was not “parliament’s agreed replacement”; MMP was the version of PR which was chosen by the people in the first referendum. And the “referendum on whether to change from FPTP” was the second referendum not the first. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 3, 2024 12:44:50 GMT
This is pretty much exactly what New Zealand did - a referendum on whether to change from FPTP originally, and then a vote on parliament's agreed replacement (MMP) Though it maybe should be noted that the second referendum was quite a lot closer than the first. No, that is *not* what New Zealand did. What NZ did was (1) a referendum on which PR system to prefer, with 4 options, and voting by FPTP between those 4 options (AMS a.k.a. MMP won), and then (2) a second referendum in which the choice was between FPTP and MMP. So MMP was not “parliament’s agreed replacement”; MMP was the version of PR which was chosen by the people in the first referendum. And the “referendum on whether to change from FPTP” was the second referendum not the first. Almost right. However the first referendum had two questions. One was on whether to keep FPTP or not, but it was only binding in that it could shut the process down. The second question was to pick between the four options - AMS, STV, AV or SM - and if the first question passed the winner of the second would go head to head with FPTP the following year. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2024 13:04:37 GMT
I misremembered but so did johnloony, then. The point I was trying to make is that the principle of wanting to change FPTP came first, before voting on its proposed successor. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 3, 2024 13:34:49 GMT
I associate 'Kevin' with having dimwit dull parents. I do not associate 'Fong' with being Irish. If you think I need those courses out of all the assembled members on this Forum, then what does it say as to what you need? I am too well mannered to advance the rather obvious suggestion!! Oh dear. That was almost without any prejudice (almost) and so utterly plausible. Until the last sentence. We always aim to please and try to conform to expectation. |
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Post by noorderling on Oct 3, 2024 13:44:11 GMT
You seem to be at odds with the Daily Bile, who infamously said, “His wife is Spanish, his mother Dutch, his father half-Russian and his spin doctor German. Is there ANYTHING British about Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg?” I don't remember you saying that? But I fail to read most of your output. It is only when you quote or tag than I become 'aware'. I ask others? Do you not feel he had a very British gawky twerp feeling about him? Or was it just me? Dutch ... Yes! Dull plodding wanker. Russian? No! Don't believe it. Dad may have been from a second generation of Revolution escapees who was mixed race and speaking French as a first language? Say no more! In 2010 I saw an interview with Clegg on Dutch Television. He spoke flawless Dutch, but with an upperclass accent you very rarely encounter and I find very offputting. I used to have a colleague with an accent like that. She was part of the nobility and rumored to be a friend of our then queen. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 3, 2024 14:10:34 GMT
This is pretty much exactly what New Zealand did - a referendum on whether to change from FPTP originally, and then a vote on parliament's agreed replacement (MMP) Though it maybe should be noted that the second referendum was quite a lot closer than the first. No, that is *not* what New Zealand did. What NZ did was (1) a referendum on which PR system to prefer, with 4 options, and voting by FPTP between those 4 options (AMS a.k.a. MMP won), and then (2) a second referendum in which the choice was between FPTP and MMP. So MMP was not “parliament’s agreed replacement”; MMP was the version of PR which was chosen by the people in the first referendum. And the “referendum on whether to change from FPTP” was the second referendum not the first. So, a bit like the old Welsh "dry" referendums. Local councils sets out an agreed policy, puts it to the people to approve. |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 3, 2024 17:14:28 GMT
This is pretty much exactly what New Zealand did - a referendum on whether to change from FPTP originally, and then a vote on parliament's agreed replacement (MMP) Though it maybe should be noted that the second referendum was quite a lot closer than the first. No, that is *not* what New Zealand did. What NZ did was (1) a referendum on which PR system to prefer, with 4 options, and voting by FPTP between those 4 options (AMS a.k.a. MMP won), and then (2) a second referendum in which the choice was between FPTP and MMP. So MMP was not “parliament’s agreed replacement”; MMP was the version of PR which was chosen by the people in the first referendum. And the “referendum on whether to change from FPTP” was the second referendum not the first. "A second referendum"? Have they no shame? |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 3, 2024 17:16:07 GMT
Oh dear. That was almost without any prejudice (almost) and so utterly plausible. Until the last sentence. We always aim to please and try to conform to expectation. That's a contradiction in terms. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 3, 2024 17:24:03 GMT
No, that is *not* what New Zealand did. What NZ did was (1) a referendum on which PR system to prefer, with 4 options, and voting by FPTP between those 4 options (AMS a.k.a. MMP won), and then (2) a second referendum in which the choice was between FPTP and MMP. So MMP was not “parliament’s agreed replacement”; MMP was the version of PR which was chosen by the people in the first referendum. And the “referendum on whether to change from FPTP” was the second referendum not the first. "A second referendum"? Have they no shame? The two referendums, in the order that they happened, were both planned in advance as an integral process. |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 3, 2024 17:34:13 GMT
"A second referendum"? Have they no shame? The two referendums, in the order that they happened, were both planned in advance as an integral process. Which could have been done in the EU Referendum. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 3, 2024 21:07:56 GMT
We always aim to please and try to conform to expectation. That's a contradiction in terms. I know. Isn't it succulent though? |
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Post by Jack on Oct 3, 2024 22:00:02 GMT
That's a contradiction in terms. I know. Isn't it succulent though? Like a Chinese meal. |
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