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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2024 16:25:18 GMT
It certainly doesn't prove that those 24% were more working-class than the 76% of voters who chose a different candidate. Most of my voters were middle-class. Generally middle aged white women IIRC. Most of it was Hornsey Lane. Stoecker did best on the seats. estates?
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:26:04 GMT
Most of my voters were middle-class. Generally middle aged white women IIRC. Most of it was Hornsey Lane. Stoecker did best on the seats. estates? Correct. From my limited interactions with human beings, my support was mostly from Hornsey Lane and Whitehall Park. I'd say a plurality at least came from N6.
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 16, 2024 16:33:23 GMT
I fail to see why it is so apparently heinous that the successful Labour candidate comes from Barnsbury. It's hardly at the other end of the earth and at least has the virtue of being in the same borough where the election was taking place. It might be better if people judge candidates or councillors on what they say and do rather than go down this petty ultra-parochial route. Blame the Lib Dems. They pushed this hyper parochialism on elections whenever it suited them.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 16, 2024 16:34:24 GMT
Or given the state of the handwriting the electors are still deciphering them. Or given they're bilingual it takes longer. Like roadsigns. (Ducks for cover.)
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 16, 2024 16:35:05 GMT
To be fair, didn't you try out for Cities of London & Westminster while living in bloody Richmond? Richmond to central London is hardly a great journey. There are many constituencies with longer distances enitrely within them.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 16, 2024 16:35:19 GMT
Having followed this thread idly for the last week or so, I'm still none the wiser as to whether it's a heated discussion about a local by-election in Islington or a piece of rather drawn out performance art. I'm inclined to believe the latter. Mae'r brwydr drosodd ond mae'r rhyfel yn parhau. That's easy for you to say.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 16, 2024 16:36:38 GMT
So damn what? Yes of course I have been to Islington, and it is not a very large borough. As it happens, we have a family friend who is now dying who was once a Labour councillor for Barnsbury, so naturally I know where it is in relation to Hillrise. He is a marvellous man, originally from Yorkshire. Barnsbury appears to be about 2 miles away from the southern ward boundary of Hillrise ward so the point is an incredibly parochial & pretty typically pathetic one. To be fair, didn't you try out for Cities of London & Westminster while living in bloody Richmond? I guess you like carpetbagging? Nargund is also Barnsbury based IIRC. Same as Sir Tony Blair was. Labour isn't an Islington party, it's a Barnsbury party. I've also worked there, and it's a fairly elitist area aside from council housing. If you speak to your prospective constituents in this style it is perhaps wise to limit your canvassing ...
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 16, 2024 16:37:06 GMT
Mae'r brwydr drosodd ond mae'r rhyfel yn parhau. That's easy for you to say. Siawns yn yr oes sydd ohoni ei bod hi'n hawdd iawn i unrhyw un ar-lein ddweud?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 16, 2024 16:38:01 GMT
Mae'r brwydr drosodd ond mae'r rhyfel yn parhau. That's easy for you to say. Say it? I bloody wrote it!
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Post by nyx on Aug 16, 2024 16:39:11 GMT
I think Labour did best in Whitehall Park where you had the most Labour posters. I saw no Labour posters in Crouch Hill, Hornsey Rice or the areas bordering Tollington. Nice inoffensive Oxbridge-educated think tank person - oozes middle class sensibility from where I'm sat. I think my new party may make more progress in 2024. Labour did lose Hillrise in the 1990s and there's a clearly a market for a unified anti-Labour vote. 40% from 60% is hilarious. As is 2.4% of course. Do you mean an existing party you may join or are we to be treated to a new party? I'm likely joining the Green Party Presumably the Greens. And they probably do have room to grow at Labour's expense.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2024 16:39:16 GMT
On another blog it's been said that Stoecker's vote of 539 is the highest ever achieved by an independent in an Islington Council election. It will encourage people on the left in Islington and he's a further indication of Corbyn's reach. And apparently and allegedly on the election page Islington have misspelt her surname "Stoker" I hope this wasn't done deliberately but if it was I would not be at all surprised.Apparently and allegedly? Don't you have the internet?
It is spelt incorrectly on the results page, but correctly on every other page where it features. I've sent them a comment through the website to correct it.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2024 16:41:07 GMT
Do you mean an existing party you may join or are we to be treated to a new party? I'm likely joining the Green Party Presumably the Greens. And they probably do have room to grow at Labour's expense.Very true but not so much if they are bested by a Corbynite party offering much the same. Unless a pact emerges of course.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 16, 2024 16:41:19 GMT
I think a good place to start is to ask yourself why, despite actively campaigning, your sense of what was happening in the ward was so far out from the actual result? You can have an active campaign and a poor result. Sometimes circumstances just lead that way, but you should at least be picking up some sense of which way the wine's blowing...It didn't live up to his grape expectations? Careful, you'll incur his wrath.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:42:36 GMT
I fail to see why it is so apparently heinous that the successful Labour candidate comes from Barnsbury. It's hardly at the other end of the earth and at least has the virtue of being in the same borough where the election was taking place. It might be better if people judge candidates or councillors on what they say and do rather than go down this petty ultra-parochial route. Blame the Lib Dems. They pushed this hyper parochialism on elections whenever it suited them. I don't see the issue though. No one local Labour could choose? I don't buy it, I'm sorry. Middle class Labour doing its thing. Anyway, I'm glad I stood here.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 16, 2024 16:44:05 GMT
It didn't live up to his grape expectations? Careful, you'll incur his wrath. I'll keep a look out for the fateful lightning
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:45:49 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 16, 2024 16:47:33 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. Quantity =/= Quality
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Post by Sandy on Aug 16, 2024 16:47:52 GMT
Keep going lads, one more page!
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:48:35 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. Quantity =/= Quality I will reflect on this point. Kentish Town South by-election sounds fun.
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Post by ColinJ on Aug 16, 2024 16:51:27 GMT
Blame the Lib Dems. They pushed this hyper parochialism on elections whenever it suited them. I don't see the issue though. No one local Labour could choose? I don't buy it, I'm sorry. Middle class Labour doing its thing. Anyway, I'm glad I stood here. Can one ask what social class you consider you come from? Even though I don't actually give a toss. And neither should you about that of the Labour candidate. And, while I'm having my penny worth, anybody living in Islington is decidedly "local" in any ward in Islington, so small is the borough in terms of area.
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