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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:52:22 GMT
I don't see the issue though. No one local Labour could choose? I don't buy it, I'm sorry. Middle class Labour doing its thing. Anyway, I'm glad I stood here. Can one ask what social class you consider you come from? Even though I don't actually give a toss. And neither should you about that of the Labour candidate. And, while I'm having my penny worth, anybody living in Islington is decidedly "local" in any ward in Islington, so small is the borough in terms of area. Middle class when I was young. Working class back around 2011 / 2012. Then lower middle class at uni. Now upper middle class being honest.
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Post by john07 on Aug 16, 2024 16:53:34 GMT
I think a good place to start is to ask yourself why, despite actively campaigning, your sense of what was happening in the ward was so far out from the actual result? You can have an active campaign and a poor result. Sometimes circumstances just lead that way, but you should at least be picking up some sense of which way the wine's blowing...It didn't live up to his grape expectations? What the Dickens are you on about?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 16, 2024 16:53:59 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. Because that's politics. That's life. If you genuinely sent handwritten notes to voters, it may have not come across as professional, mature, or standard as the usual leaflets from recognised parties. People don't necessarily go to independent candidates 'on the first go'. I know I've been sharp and snarky on this thread, and heaven knows I think your posting habits may require a break, but I think you do need to just see things in a wider perspective. With my LibDems hat on, I know what I'd be told to do before September is over: get some rest, stay away from both VoteUK and anything too taxing, and then get back knocking on doors and sending (printed!) leaflets. If this ward is in your sights, you have to 'do a LibDem' and start working it again after the dust has settled.
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Post by andrewteale on Aug 16, 2024 16:54:18 GMT
But the computer is programmed by a human and could easily have been set up to present results formatted in a sensible way. A lot of computer programmers are highly intelligent morons. The computer could have been programmed to stop at the correct 5th stage, and not go on to the illogical incorrect pointless 6th stage. I've recently had to hack around with the computer program which I use to analyse the Scottish preference tables, because it was written in a language (specifically Python 2) that's no longer supported. This was exactly the point which gave me the most trouble in the upgrade.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:55:33 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. Because that's politics. That's life. If you genuinely sent handwritten notes to voters, it may have not come across as professional, mature, or standard as the usual leaflets from recognised parties. People don't necessarily go to independent candidates 'on the first go'. I know I've been sharp and snarky on this thread, and heaven knows I think your posting habits may require a break, but I think you do need to just see things in a wider perspective. With my LibDems hat on, I know what I'd be told to do before September is over: get some rest, stay away from both VoteUK and anything too taxing, and then get back knocking on doors and sending (printed!) leaflets. If this ward is in your sights, you have to 'do a LibDem' and start working it again after the dust has settled. Why choose fear over hope though? I don't critique voters, but still. The status quo is managed decline. Especially in Islington and in Hillrise.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 16, 2024 16:56:23 GMT
The real answer is that the programme is written for elections when fractions of votes need to be counted and it just ain't worth the bother to re-write it for the limited number of by-elections. Plus, writing extra code for exceptions opens up the potential for new errors, or exceptions, to emerge. The number of times we've had to decide whether to round our bar-chart percentages correctly, or fudge them so that nobody complains that they total 99 or 101....including five decimal places can be tempting.
In my election data I normally display percentages to one decimal place.... except one election where I had to display the votes in my own election to two decimal places to distinguish the party shares. And you'll see in the link that at some point I forgot to set the formatting again.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 16, 2024 16:57:06 GMT
Because that's politics. That's life. If you genuinely sent handwritten notes to voters, it may have not come across as professional, mature, or standard as the usual leaflets from recognised parties. People don't necessarily go to independent candidates 'on the first go'. I know I've been sharp and snarky on this thread, and heaven knows I think your posting habits may require a break, but I think you do need to just see things in a wider perspective. With my LibDems hat on, I know what I'd be told to do before September is over: get some rest, stay away from both VoteUK and anything too taxing, and then get back knocking on doors and sending (printed!) leaflets. If this ward is in your sights, you have to 'do a LibDem' and start working it again after the dust has settled. Why choose fear over hope though? I don't critique voters, but still. The status quo is managed decline. Especially in Islington and in Hillrise. They didn't see Labour as fear, or you as hope. You can choose to work the ward to change their minds, or not and don't. Up to you
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:57:26 GMT
Odd the advice is the same. Don't post so much etc etc. We should support one another here. Like encouraging people to contest elections. I was even encourage batman to run! Even though I wouldn't vote batman.
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Post by owainsutton on Aug 16, 2024 16:58:36 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. Reminds me of the by-election here, where the Lib Dems did two entire leaflet rounds including an A3, to earn eleven votes.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 16:58:45 GMT
Why choose fear over hope though? I don't critique voters, but still. The status quo is managed decline. Especially in Islington and in Hillrise. They didn't see Labour as fear, or you as hope. You can choose to work the ward to change their minds, or not and don't. Up to you It seems like significant work needed. The private sector may be easier. I'm torn or maybe I'm not. I appreciate this long thread's attention. It was great to receive it.
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 17:01:05 GMT
Can one ask what social class you consider you come from? Even though I don't actually give a toss. And neither should you about that of the Labour candidate. And, while I'm having my penny worth, anybody living in Islington is decidedly "local" in any ward in Islington, so small is the borough in terms of area. Middle class when I was young. Working class back around 2011 / 2012. Then lower middle class at uni. Now upper middle class being honest. I’m not sure that class works that way tbh, the idea you can be working class for about a year or so …… nope …. Don’t confuse employment with class.
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 16, 2024 17:02:07 GMT
The parish I live in is bigger than Islington.
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 17:02:40 GMT
I will reflect on this point. Kentish Town South by-election sounds fun. Won’t that be carpetbagging …. 😀
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 17:03:40 GMT
I will reflect on this point. Kentish Town South by-election sounds fun. Won’t that be carpetbagging …. 😀 Closer to me than Barnsbury N1! I didn't politicise Barnsbury in leaflets. Nice guys finish last I guess.
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 17:04:00 GMT
I claim page 55
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 17:05:10 GMT
Whatever floats your boat you numbskull.
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Post by nyx on Aug 16, 2024 17:05:15 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. Because that's politics. That's life. If you genuinely sent handwritten notes to voters, it may have not come across as professional, mature, or standard as the usual leaflets from recognised parties. People don't necessarily go to independent candidates 'on the first go'. Of course it's different for every voter. My mother is usually discouraged from supporting candidates who send obviously-well-produced leaflets on glossy paper thanks to thinking it's a needless waste of money to do anything elaborate like that. The other thing of course is that most people won't even look at leaflets and aren't particularly interested in engagement with politics at all. In the circumstances for a self-run campaign, I'd say 54 votes for Parr-Reid is a quite respectable performance- in a local ward by-election, that's more votes than many independents achieve in Westminster by-elections!
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 16, 2024 17:05:41 GMT
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 17:05:57 GMT
Because that's politics. That's life. If you genuinely sent handwritten notes to voters, it may have not come across as professional, mature, or standard as the usual leaflets from recognised parties. People don't necessarily go to independent candidates 'on the first go'. In the circumstances for a self-run campaign, I'd say 54 votes for Parr-Reid is a quite respectable performance- in a local ward by-election, that's more votes than many independents achieve in Westminster by-elections! Thank you. That's more like it.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 16, 2024 17:08:14 GMT
Why did 3,000+ leaflets = 54 votes? Genuine question that I'm struggling with. In the 2022 county council election I think I put out 10,000 leaflets across four months and got 65 votes.
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