Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 16, 2024 9:20:47 GMT
So more people transferred from the Greens to Labour than from the Greens to the SNP. That's not what I would have expected. Once the SNP were eliminated it was obvious that more of their votes would transfer to Labour than to the Tories. It's certainly unusual in recent years and will be interesting to see if it's repeated elsewhere. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 16, 2024 9:22:33 GMT
Quite an impressive performance by the Greens there. Maybe they could have a chance of winning if there's another Dunblane and Bridge of Allan by-election in future. The Greens currently have one seat in this ward, and if those votes were cast in a four-seat ordinary election they would hold it. That's in contrast to the two previous by-elections here, which pointed to C 2 SNP 1 Lab 1. My sense is we had a more active campaign and possibly stronger candidate this time, so was expecting a bit of a better result. |
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Post by andrewp on Aug 16, 2024 9:43:34 GMT
Caerphilly, Aberbargoed and Bargoed
Lab 354
PC 353
Green 59
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Aug 16, 2024 9:46:14 GMT
What time does this clown show start counting? 11am last time I checked, mate. On your way there, yet? I don't know where the count is being held - if within the ward, then you would probably have still had plenty of time to get there when you wrote this message, but with London traffic speeds, I'm not sure that I'd be confident to get from Hornsey Lane to the Town Hall in 45 minutes (walking, certainly not; bus, how long would you have to wait for a 43? and how fast is the traffic this morning?; car, again, how fast is the traffic? and are you sure of where you are going to park at the other end?; bike, probably possible with a carefully chosen route, but you had better have somewhere safe for your bike at the other end). |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 16, 2024 9:51:20 GMT
STIRLING Dunblane and Bridge of Allan Stuart McLuckie (Scottish Conservative and Unionist) 1,143 David Wilson (Scottish Labour Party) 952 John Watson (Scottish National Party (SNP)) 770 Andrew Adam (Scottish Greens) 659 Dick Moerman (Scottish Liberal Democrats) 345 Alastair George Majury (Independent) 225 E. 12,057; quota 2,048 David Wilson elected at stage 6 Actually elected at stage 5 by 1826 votes to 1361 for McLuckie. Incidentally, the "quota" is irrelevant in a sngle seat election where it should not be being calulated, never mind published. No, it’s not irrelevant. If a candidate has reached the quota in the first round, they stop, and don’t have to do any transfers. If a candidate has reached the quota in round 2, they stop and don’t do a third round. Etc |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 16, 2024 9:57:13 GMT
Mildly gutted this morning to wake up to Plaid having lost Bargoed & Aberbargoed by one vote! Labour 354, Plaid 353. The first count was all square, the recouts found one for Labour I don't think we have had the full result for Caerphilly here have we? Anyone know how many votes the Green got? Please? 59 t.co/oE5LXnCcy3 |
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 9:57:33 GMT
& the longest byelection thread in history draws to a close.
Possibly.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Aug 16, 2024 10:04:36 GMT
& the longest byelection thread in history draws to a close. Possibly. Perhaps we should prolong the excitement by launching an election petition (regardless of the result)! |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 16, 2024 10:05:39 GMT
& the longest byelection thread in history draws to a close. Possibly. Of course it doesn’t, you fool. We still have several more months of fun and excitement as Maxim goes through the process of launching an election petition when he loses, crowdfunding to pay for it, gathering evidence of how many thousands of people have voted for him but had their votes changed, psephological analysis of the anomalous swings, etc |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 16, 2024 10:07:22 GMT
Caerphilly, Aberbargoed and Bargoed Lab 354 PC 353 Green 59 Never let anyone tell you that every vote doesn't count! |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 16, 2024 10:17:23 GMT
Pitiful turnout so low I'm tempted to suggest the whole thing should be canceled and the residents of that Ward should remain unrepresented. Evidently hardly anyone gives a **** That's not how it works though  I can recall The Book Of Heroic Failures featuring a 1970s Scottish community (ie parish) council election where the winner was elected with the sole vote cast; he cheerfully admitted that he did not vote for himself - "I didn't bother". His rivals did not ask for a recount  |
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 10:18:29 GMT
Pitiful turnout so low I'm tempted to suggest the whole thing should be canceled and the residents of that Ward should remain unrepresented. Evidently hardly anyone gives a **** August byelection. But will be interested to hear the postal vote return numbers |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 16, 2024 10:23:55 GMT
Pitiful turnout so low I'm tempted to suggest the whole thing should be canceled and the residents of that Ward should remain unrepresented. Evidently hardly anyone gives a **** That's not how it works though I can recall The Book Of Heroic Failures featuring a 1970s Scottish community (ie parish) council election where the winner was elected with the sole vote cast; he cheerfully admitted that he did not vote for himself - "I didn't bother". His rivals did not ask for a recount Sounds like Baldrick being elected as an MP. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 16, 2024 10:31:24 GMT
Off Topic but surely by now we can have votes by Internet/electronic means we seem to do everything else on the internet (shopping, banking, paying bills, registering to vote, reporting issues to the council). Register yr phone number with council. Receive code. Verify. Get vote at election time. Vote on yr phone. It has been mooted by quite a few, but security concerns seem to remain the major stumbling block. |
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Post by aargauer on Aug 16, 2024 10:36:00 GMT
Off Topic but surely by now we can have votes by Internet/electronic means we seem to do everything else on the internet (shopping, banking, paying bills, registering to vote, reporting issues to the council). Register yr phone number with council. Receive code. Verify. Get vote at election time. Vote on yr phone. It has been mooted by quite a few, but security concerns seem to remain the major stumbling block. Two factor authentication has to be miles more secure than postal voting. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2024 10:36:04 GMT
Well also it just takes someone to start a rumour of a potential breach for a prank to potentially destroy public confidence in the system and the results it produces which could be disastrous
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 16, 2024 10:36:23 GMT
Off Topic but surely by now we can have votes by Internet/electronic means we seem to do everything else on the internet (shopping, banking, paying bills, registering to vote, reporting issues to the council). Register yr phone number with council. Receive code. Verify. Get vote at election time. Vote on yr phone. It has been mooted by quite a few, but security concerns seem to remain the major stumbling block. My other half took part in a trial of electronic voting in 2003 in Stratford DC, it wasn’t very secure and turnout decreased in the district. And when. I say not secure I mean laughably so. |
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 16, 2024 10:41:59 GMT
More than a generation ago and we can have it alongside traditional methods not just on its own This was also tried in various places and did not increase turnout overall. You want more people voting - all postal and there are a number of problems with that - not least these days the post office. |
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 10:42:28 GMT
Just say electronic voting will get rid of pencils. That’ll get the cranks onside.
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Post by certain on Aug 16, 2024 10:45:20 GMT
Actually elected at stage 5 by 1826 votes to 1361 for McLuckie. Incidentally, the "quota" is irrelevant in a sngle seat election where it should not be being calulated, never mind published. No, it’s not irrelevant. If a candidate has reached the quota in the first round, they stop, and don’t have to do any transfers. If a candidate has reached the quota in round 2, they stop and don’t do a third round. Etc The "quota" is always either equal to, or greater than, an overall majority. It's therefore irrelevant. Nobody would bother with a quota in a manual count. |
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