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Post by spqr on Aug 14, 2024 15:48:52 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. Heh. You'd best get into contact with The Guardian then, as some of their columnists are always blethering on about moving the Overton window (seemingly without realising how close to the centre of it they actually are). I'm sure they'll be relieved to hear that doing so is as easy as chatting to a passer-by about a derelict pub. |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 14, 2024 15:50:35 GMT
No it wasn't. It was built to separate poor people from what little money they had by getting them drunk.
I agree the building shouldn't be left to stand empty but pubs are a blight on any community and always have been. It's a matter for deep satisfaction that year on year, there are fewer and fewer of them.
On that note, did you attend the forum's pub jaunt in London last week? I seem to recall you said would go, but no photo of you ever appeared. Yes he was. And if he mentioned his incredibly hypocritical view it wasn’t within my earshot. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 15:52:24 GMT
But a glorious investment opportunity if you're as confident as you claim. Can I bet on my election? Asking for a close personal friend... |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 14, 2024 16:36:20 GMT
for postal votes it is allowed. for ballots cast in person in a polling station it is prohibited. Regards LDCaerdydd Polling Clerk. Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? So how do we get all this TV footage of The Great and The Good posting their ballot paper into a ballot box? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 14, 2024 16:54:19 GMT
Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? So how do we get all this TV footage of The Great and The Good posting their ballot paper into a ballot box? Do we? In other countries we do indeed see candidates placing their ballot papers in the appropriate boxes. In the UK do we not see the party leaders (plus wives, dogs, children, mistresses etc.) leaving the polling station? |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 16:54:26 GMT
Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? So how do we get all this TV footage of The Great and The Good posting their ballot paper into a ballot box? Do we see that in this country? I may well be wrong but I seem to recall that what's shown is party leaders arriving at or leaving a polling station and not actually placing their ballot paper in the box. If we do then I honestly can't remember ever seeing a completed one. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 14, 2024 17:01:47 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. Nobody thinks it's a bad idea to bring disused buildings into use. Putting together a workable scheme (finance, planning issues) is a different matter. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Agreeing with a random member of the public that it's a good idea doesn't cut the mustard. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 14, 2024 17:04:36 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. Nobody thinks it's a bad idea to bring disused buildings into use. Putting together a workable scheme (finance, planning issues) is a different matter. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Agreeing with a random member of the public that it's a good idea doesn't cut the mustard. I would agree with that (also been there etc) but to be fair this is the very stuff of electioneering. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 14, 2024 17:06:04 GMT
But a glorious investment opportunity if you're as confident as you claim. Can I bet on my election? Asking for a close personal friend... Yes. Put £20 on yourself. The bookmaker will then cut the odds. You then get leaflets printed written out by hand declaring "Poised for victory! Odds against MPR slashed!" |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 14, 2024 17:29:40 GMT
Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? So how do we get all this TV footage of The Great and The Good posting their ballot paper into a ballot box? By watching the footage on TV of foreign leaders voting in foreign elections. |
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Post by islington on Aug 14, 2024 17:30:46 GMT
On that note, did you attend the forum's pub jaunt in London last week? I seem to recall you said would go, but no photo of you ever appeared. Yes he was. And if he mentioned his incredibly hypocritical view it wasn’t within my earshot. Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
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Post by Sandy on Aug 14, 2024 17:42:08 GMT
Yes he was. And if he mentioned his incredibly hypocritical view it wasn’t within my earshot. Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
Those are bizarre mental gymnastics. Drinking alone is boring, the pub is the hub of many a community. I assume you feel the same about smoking, drugs, prostitution, bloody drag shows and any other miscellaneous “affronts” ? |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 18:00:22 GMT
Yes he was. And if he mentioned his incredibly hypocritical view it wasn’t within my earshot. Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
You were at last year’s drinks? I don’t understand the logic here. Sorry, I know I’m pretty dense. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 14, 2024 18:29:51 GMT
Genuinely thought I'd seen everything on this thread but a restriction on drinking outside is quite the number one WTF.
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Post by islington on Aug 14, 2024 18:42:10 GMT
Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
You were at last year’s drinks? I don’t understand the logic here. Sorry, I know I’m pretty dense. I was at last year's and this year's and if there's one next year I may well attend that.
Personally, I'd prefer it if such gatherings took place in some pleasant cafe where we could chat over a civilized cup of tea and maybe a slice of delicious cake. But I accept that the majority view is, unfortunately, for a pub and I'm sufficiently flexible to go along with that.
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 18:45:53 GMT
You were at last year’s drinks? I don’t understand the logic here. Sorry, I know I’m pretty dense. I was at last year's and this year's and if there's one next year I may well attend that.
Personally, I'd prefer it if such gatherings took place in some pleasant cafe where we could chat over a civilized cup of tea and maybe a slice of delicious cake. But I accept that the majority view is, unfortunately, for a pub and I'm sufficiently flexible to go along with that.
Vote UK coffee morning - Jolene N7. There or Lightroom cafe, King’s Cross. I’m genuinely up for doing that. Jolene is in Tollington, bordering Hillrise. |
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Post by islington on Aug 14, 2024 18:59:32 GMT
Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
Those are bizarre mental gymnastics. Drinking alone is boring, the pub is the hub of many a community. I assume you feel the same about smoking, drugs, prostitution, bloody drag shows and any other miscellaneous “affronts” ? Hmm, interesting list of human vices, actual or reputed.
In order: smoking is a vile habit but fortunately it's now illegal in enclosed spaces other than the home so it's mercifully much more avoidable than it used to be; drugs, if by that you mean the illegal varieties, are not normally consumed blatantly in public although the odd whiff of cannabis is not unknown; prostitution is something I'm actually pretty relaxed about so long as those engaged in it are adults acting under their own free will, but again I'd point out that it is for the most part conducted with a degree of discretion so that you are unlikely to become aware of it unless you go looking for it (whereas street prostitution is highly undesirable but fortunately not very common); drag shows aren't offensive as such unless you're a US Republican, but I also think, as a personal point of view, that they tend to be quite boring so I'd generally avoid them; and any other miscellaneous “affronts” can be considered on their merits.
Overall I'd put drinking roughly on a par with smoking; but I'd treat it more liberally in one respect (i.e. I'd allow it to be provided in contexts where the main purpose is the consumption of food) and less liberally in another (I wouldn't allow it in the public domain - streets, parks, &c).
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Post by spqr on Aug 14, 2024 19:00:27 GMT
Yes he was. And if he mentioned his incredibly hypocritical view it wasn’t within my earshot. Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
Much as I respect your begrudging tolerance, I think I'd prefer it if you were an uncompromising, fire-breathing temperance advocate - because what you seem to be rooting for here is a continuation of Britain's drinking culture while eliminating the very best aspect of it, namely the pub. A philosophy that seeks to get rid of (in descending importance for me) draught Bass, pub quizzes, bar billiards, and community hubs in rural areas - all while leaving 2.5 litre bottles of Frosty Jack untouched - isn't one I'd wish to embrace. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 19:01:16 GMT
Those are bizarre mental gymnastics. Drinking alone is boring, the pub is the hub of many a community. I assume you feel the same about smoking, drugs, prostitution, bloody drag shows and any other miscellaneous “affronts” ? Hmm, interesting list of human vices, actual or reputed.
In order: smoking is a vile habit but fortunately it's now illegal in enclosed spaces other than the home so it's mercifully much more avoidable than it used to be; drugs, if by that you mean the illegal varieties, are not normally consumed blatantly in public although the odd whiff of cannabis is not unknown; prostitution is something I'm actually pretty relaxed about so long as those engaged in it are adults acting under their own free will, but again I'd point out that it is for the most part conducted with a degree of discretion so that you are unlikely to become aware of it unless you go looking for it (whereas street prostitution is highly undesirable but fortunately not very common); drag shows aren't offensive as such unless you're a US Republican, but I also think, as a personal point of view, that they tend to be quite boring so I'd generally avoid them; and any other miscellaneous “affronts” can be considered on their merits.
Overall I'd put drinking roughly on a par with smoking; but I'd treat it more liberally in one respect (i.e. I'd allow it to be provided in contexts where the main purpose is the consumption of food) and less liberally in another (I wouldn't allow it in the public domain - streets, parks, &c).
Cannabis not consumed blatantly in public? 😂 Have you been to north London? |
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Post by stb12 on Aug 14, 2024 19:29:55 GMT
In my experience real antisocial drunkenness is more likely to come about from house parties than pubs
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