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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 12:54:59 GMT
There's little difference between the two. I see the Independent has taken a photo of her ballot paper and posted it on X. she has voted for herself! what's the point of this? very performative Imo I thought that was an election offence. Maybe not if it's a candidate voting for themselves. |
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Post by norflondon on Aug 14, 2024 12:57:57 GMT
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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 13:03:45 GMT
No it's not illegal. EC have said it's ok to photo ballot and post on social media. How Mr Parr Reid will vote; I'm sure he would vote for himself Does that apply to a completed ballot? To vote for yourself you have to live in the ward. But that would also include someone living in another part of the borough - which I suddenly realised and edited my original comment. But certainly not in a neighbouring borough. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 14, 2024 13:13:52 GMT
The EC says photoing a ballot paper posting how one voted or intends to vote is permitted for postal votes it is allowed. for ballots cast in person in a polling station it is prohibited. Regards LDCaerdydd Polling Clerk. |
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Post by john07 on Aug 14, 2024 13:14:22 GMT
No it's not illegal. EC have said it's ok to photo ballot and post on social media. How Mr Parr Reid will vote; I'm sure he would vote for himself That’s his usual maxim. |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 13:15:14 GMT
The EC says photoing a ballot paper posting how one voted or intends to vote is permitted. According to the commission, “A voter may volunteer information about how they voted, provided no undue influence is exerted on them to do so.” The representation of the people's act 1983 does need updating to take into account modern methods of communication OK. I had misunderstood then. I thought it had been banned in order that there wasn't even an assumption of any influence. |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 13:19:31 GMT
The EC says photoing a ballot paper posting how one voted or intends to vote is permitted for postal votes it is allowed. for ballots cast in person in a polling station it is prohibited. Regards LDCaerdydd Polling Clerk. Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 14, 2024 13:26:47 GMT
for postal votes it is allowed. for ballots cast in person in a polling station it is prohibited. Regards LDCaerdydd Polling Clerk. Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? I don't know the precise reason but my instinct is the later. You don't want people in a polling station longer than they need to be. It would also involve photographing (and if posting on Twitter would involve the publication/distribution of) the official mark (which is different for on the day ballots to postal ballots). Taking a selfie of yourself with a completed ballot would also mean the ballot wasn't secret. Whilst anyone can scream from the roof tops that they're voting for Party A, what they do in the privacy of the poling station should remain secret. Different rules apply for postal votes presumably because it's far harder to police. In reality if you or I took a selfie with a completed ballot and posted it on social media nothing would happen (polling staff might get an email/call afterwards), if a candidate did it I'd imagine they would be spoken to, whether it's deemed in the public interest to go further I don't know. |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 13:36:38 GMT
Ah. Is that because doing so for an on-day vote is banned or is it a general rule about not taking a photo within the confines of a polling station? I don't know the precise reason but my instinct is the later. You don't want people in a polling station longer than they need to be. It would also involve photographing (and if posting on Twitter would involve the publication/distribution of) the official mark (which is different for on the day ballots to postal ballots). Taking a selfie of yourself with a completed ballot would also mean the ballot wasn't secret. Whilst anyone can scream from the roof tops that they're voting for Party A, what they do in the privacy of the poling station should remain secret. Different rules apply for postal votes presumably because it's far harder to police. In reality if you or I took a selfie with a completed ballot and posted it on social media nothing would happen (polling staff might get an email/call afterwards), if a candidate did it I'd imagine they would be spoken to, whether it's deemed in the public interest to go further I don't know. There was an episode in West Yorkshire a couple of years ago where presiding officers got a message during the day to stop people taking photos of their ballot paper. That's why I think it's actually less of an issue when candidates do it as there is presumably little undue influence that can be put on to vote for themselves. Whereas the allegation in Yorkshire was that people were being asked to produce evidence of how they had voted as soon as they left the polling station. But that would make it even more important to have the same rule for postal votes. I also heard another story that is maybe an urban myth. In one election window and garden posters were being updated with a sticker saying "I've just voted for Candy Date". This was supposedly stopped by the elections office although I haven't seen any verification of that and can't find any now. |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 14, 2024 13:37:46 GMT
I believe the main reason is because you might inadvertently take a photo of someone else's ballot paper PS the vote is strictly speaking not a secret ballot Or advertently! |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 14:14:17 GMT
500 to 1. What the hell?
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Post by dundas on Aug 14, 2024 14:22:29 GMT
No it's not illegal. EC have said it's ok to photo ballot and post on social media. How Mr Parr Reid will vote; I'm sure he would vote for himself That’s his usual maxim. Par for the course. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 14:32:16 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window.
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Post by islington on Aug 14, 2024 14:53:35 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. No it wasn't. It was built to separate poor people from what little money they had by getting them drunk.
I agree the building shouldn't be left to stand empty but pubs are a blight on any community and always have been. It's a matter for deep satisfaction that year on year, there are fewer and fewer of them.
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Post by islington on Aug 14, 2024 14:54:54 GMT
But a glorious investment opportunity if you're as confident as you claim. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 14, 2024 14:59:17 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. No it wasn't. It was built to separate poor people from what little money they had by getting them drunk.
I agree the building shouldn't be left to stand empty but pubs are a blight on any community and always have been. It's a matter for deep satisfaction that year on year, there are fewer and fewer of them.
That's harsh - not everyone gets drunk. Some just want to have fun. Weren't you at the Wenlock? |
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Post by dundas on Aug 14, 2024 15:17:38 GMT
Taking a photo of a "completed" ballot paper, that is one with an X isn't proof as to how one voted, for one could simply cross out that X completely and put another X against another candidate and then put it in the Ballot Box. Anyone who might ask for this as proof as to how someone voted clearly doesn't know the rules An unclear polling card will be rejected as unclear, especially if the voter has been "clever" enough to bring their own pen to avoid others interfering. I agree with you about the vote not truly being secret though, and think any voter who makes a joke about a shredder should have their vote tracked down and dealt in with in the manner they suggested. |
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Post by swanarcadian on Aug 14, 2024 15:21:11 GMT
Ladbrokes betting latest: Islington Labour 1/4 Green 6/1 Ind - Stoecker 7/1 Lib Dem 80/1 Ind - Parr Reid 500/1 I’m surprised they bothered to price this up. Is this by-election being talked about as much elsewhere as it is on this forum? |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 14, 2024 15:27:26 GMT
I'm fairly sure those odds are made up!
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Post by spqr on Aug 14, 2024 15:41:07 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. No it wasn't. It was built to separate poor people from what little money they had by getting them drunk.
I agree the building shouldn't be left to stand empty but pubs are a blight on any community and always have been. It's a matter for deep satisfaction that year on year, there are fewer and fewer of them.
On that note, did you attend the forum's pub jaunt in London last week? I seem to recall you said would go, but no photo of you ever appeared. |
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