J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 14, 2024 22:21:47 GMT
So how do we get all this TV footage of The Great and The Good posting their ballot paper into a ballot box? Do we see that in this country? I may well be wrong but I seem to recall that what's shown is party leaders arriving at or leaving a polling station and not actually placing their ballot paper in the box. If we do then I honestly can't remember ever seeing a completed one. That may well be what I'm thinking of, but so many televised reports of elections merge into each other, and you see one national leader beaming at the camera as they drop their ballot into a box, and it all merges into one. |
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Post by islington on Aug 14, 2024 22:29:37 GMT
In my experience real antisocial drunkenness is more likely to come about from house parties than pubs Yes, that's a fair point actually. Large undisciplined house parties are probably more of a scourge than pubs, but I'm not sure what there is to be done about them. At least any particular house is likely to host such an event only at long intervals, whereas the pub is there in the same place night after night. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 14, 2024 22:44:13 GMT
Another good chat with a voter. Converting disused buildings was very popular. I hope it happens whoever wins. The old pub shouldn't be empty. It was built for the community. I hopefully moved the Overton window. Nobody thinks it's a bad idea to bring disused buildings into use. Putting together a workable scheme (finance, planning issues) is a different matter. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Agreeing with a random member of the public that it's a good idea doesn't cut the mustard. The best assistance is to get it into its own self-funding feet. It's no good using council funding to get something up and running if it ends up predicated on continuous council funding. When I was an Area Chair we helped the old Reform Club get access to funding, and provided some funding, to refurbish the building and re-birth it as a community centre, that generates enough income from the building to keep itself going. |
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Post by stb12 on Aug 14, 2024 23:37:49 GMT
In my experience real antisocial drunkenness is more likely to come about from house parties than pubs Yes, that's a fair point actually. Large undisciplined house parties are probably more of a scourge than pubs, but I'm not sure what there is to be done about them. At least any particular house is likely to host such an event only at long intervals, whereas the pub is there in the same place night after night. Pubs, bars and clubs can control who they serve and how much they serve them, plus they can throw people out who are going too far. Admittedly some places will be better at managing this than others but I don’t think it’s fair to generalise as negatively as you seem to Certainly if all such establishments were to shut down as you seem to wish then I dread to think what the alternative will be, social drinker might be an easy label people give themselves but it doesn’t mean it isn’t true so such gatherings will be created in other ways ie a lot more house parties everywhere. Having drinks with friends is the only reason I do it, I don’t have alcohol with a meal I much prefer a normal drink to wash that down, and I never drink alone in the house |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 14, 2024 23:52:46 GMT
Those are bizarre mental gymnastics. Drinking alone is boring, the pub is the hub of many a community. I assume you feel the same about smoking, drugs, prostitution, bloody drag shows and any other miscellaneous “affronts” ? Hmm, interesting list of human vices, actual or reputed.
In order: smoking is a vile habit but fortunately it's now illegal in enclosed spaces other than the home so it's mercifully much more avoidable than it used to be; drugs, if by that you mean the illegal varieties, are not normally consumed blatantly in public although the odd whiff of cannabis is not unknown; prostitution is something I'm actually pretty relaxed about so long as those engaged in it are adults acting under their own free will, but again I'd point out that it is for the most part conducted with a degree of discretion so that you are unlikely to become aware of it unless you go looking for it (whereas street prostitution is highly undesirable but fortunately not very common); drag shows aren't offensive as such unless you're a US Republican, but I also think, as a personal point of view, that they tend to be quite boring so I'd generally avoid them; and any other miscellaneous “affronts” can be considered on their merits.
Overall I'd put drinking roughly on a par with smoking; but I'd treat it more liberally in one respect (i.e. I'd allow it to be provided in contexts where the main purpose is the consumption of food) and less liberally in another (I wouldn't allow it in the public domain - streets, parks, &c).
Drag shows are for perverts, to suggest only US republicans find them offensive is a pretty weak strawman and pretty obviously untrue. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 14, 2024 23:55:33 GMT
Hmm, interesting list of human vices, actual or reputed. In order: smoking is a vile habit but fortunately it's now illegal in enclosed spaces other than the home so it's mercifully much more avoidable than it used to be; drugs, if by that you mean the illegal varieties, are not normally consumed blatantly in public although the odd whiff of cannabis is not unknown; prostitution is something I'm actually pretty relaxed about so long as those engaged in it are adults acting under their own free will, but again I'd point out that it is for the most part conducted with a degree of discretion so that you are unlikely to become aware of it unless you go looking for it (whereas street prostitution is highly undesirable but fortunately not very common); drag shows aren't offensive as such unless you're a US Republican, but I also think, as a personal point of view, that they tend to be quite boring so I'd generally avoid them; and any other miscellaneous “affronts” can be considered on their merits. Overall I'd put drinking roughly on a par with smoking; but I'd treat it more liberally in one respect (i.e. I'd allow it to be provided in contexts where the main purpose is the consumption of food) and less liberally in another (I wouldn't allow it in the public domain - streets, parks, &c).
, to suggest only US republicans find them offensive is a pretty weak strawman and pretty obviously untrue. Well as long as debate here is balanced and reasonable. |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 14, 2024 23:56:51 GMT
Why is it hypocritical? I recognize the sad fact that pubs exist and that people use them as a place to meet, so since I'm not a misanthrope - well, not a complete misanthrope - I will sometimes enter them, although it's an infrequent occurrence and you won't find me consuming alcohol. When I enter a pub I'm reluctantly but pragmatically accommodating myself to what I regard as a regrettable feature of current society.
This isn't a call for total abstinence, by the way. I'm much less concerned about the provision of alcohol in establishments whose main purpose is to provide food; because these are much less associated with drunkenness and anti-social behaviour than places where drink is the raison d’être.
I don't think I'm even against drunkenness as such, if that's what people really want to do (god knows why...). But they should do it at home, well away from other people.
So you see, I'm actually a broadminded and tolerant fellow. But drunkenness in public is an affront to human decency.
Much as I respect your begrudging tolerance, I think I'd prefer it if you were an uncompromising, fire-breathing temperance advocate - because what you seem to be rooting for here is a continuation of Britain's drinking culture while eliminating the very best aspect of it, namely the pub. A philosophy that seeks to get rid of (in descending importance for me) draught Bass, pub quizzes, bar billiards, and community hubs in rural areas - all while leaving 2.5 litre bottles of Frosty Jack untouched - isn't one I'd wish to embrace. This. This is exactly the problem. Going after the punters drinking their pints in the local while ignoring the neds drinking their Buckfast in the street. It’s incredibly wrong headed. |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 14, 2024 23:59:33 GMT
Drag shows are for perverts, to suggest only US republicans find them offensive is a pretty weak strawman and pretty obviously untrue. Well as long as debate here is balanced and reasonable. Have you applied for a blue passport yet? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 15, 2024 0:19:58 GMT
Well as long as debate here is balanced and reasonable. Have you applied for a blue passport yet? Obsessed 😂 |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 15, 2024 0:31:33 GMT
Have you applied for a blue passport yet? Obsessed 😂 Don’t flatter yourself Dok, although I’m glad to hear you’ve got over the loss of your EU citizenship. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 15, 2024 2:13:27 GMT
Pub goers don't get that drunk. Have you seen the prices nowadays? Aldi sells Banks' bitter for <£1. In a pub, that'd be more. I think Spoons may attract soaks. Try getting drunk in a pub. The cost is exceptionally high now. It's not practical to do so. Guinness is almost £7 a pint. You're not getting drunk for that. I was last drunk in pub? I do not know when actually. It might have been Rugby 2023.
Anyway, let us focus on elections. Lived in a caravan at 14. Never thought I'd stand for Council. Let's do this and let's win.
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Post by r34t on Aug 15, 2024 6:51:29 GMT
Nobody thinks it's a bad idea to bring disused buildings into use. Putting together a workable scheme (finance, planning issues) is a different matter. Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Agreeing with a random member of the public that it's a good idea doesn't cut the mustard. The best assistance is to get it into its own self-funding feet. It's no good using council funding to get something up and running if it ends up predicated on continuous council funding. When I was an Area Chair we helped the old Reform Club get access to funding, and provided some funding, to refurbish the building and re-birth it as a community centre, that generates enough income from the building to keep itself going. Capital & revenue. You may get some council funding for capital refurb costs if you can show a sound business plan where the building 'wipes it's face' Similarly there may be some revenue for running specific projects running services on behalf of the council. But all of that is dependant on a clear plan based on a professional consultation exercise with the local community as to what they want to see happen to the building. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 15, 2024 6:54:08 GMT
I did it (canvassed a voter)!
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 15, 2024 7:02:09 GMT
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 15, 2024 7:04:16 GMT
Hmm, interesting list of human vices, actual or reputed. In order: smoking is a vile habit but fortunately it's now illegal in enclosed spaces other than the home so it's mercifully much more avoidable than it used to be; drugs, if by that you mean the illegal varieties, are not normally consumed blatantly in public although the odd whiff of cannabis is not unknown; prostitution is something I'm actually pretty relaxed about so long as those engaged in it are adults acting under their own free will, but again I'd point out that it is for the most part conducted with a degree of discretion so that you are unlikely to become aware of it unless you go looking for it (whereas street prostitution is highly undesirable but fortunately not very common); drag shows aren't offensive as such unless you're a US Republican, but I also think, as a personal point of view, that they tend to be quite boring so I'd generally avoid them; and any other miscellaneous “affronts” can be considered on their merits. Overall I'd put drinking roughly on a par with smoking; but I'd treat it more liberally in one respect (i.e. I'd allow it to be provided in contexts where the main purpose is the consumption of food) and less liberally in another (I wouldn't allow it in the public domain - streets, parks, &c).
Drag shows are for perverts, to suggest only US republicans find them offensive is a pretty weak strawman and pretty obviously untrue. Huh? Danny La Rue was mainstream family entertainment 50 years ago. And then later Hinge and Bracket. Lily Savage was obviously post-watershed. Mrs Brown's Boys, rubbish but not perverted. And before them, Old Mother Riley and pantomime dames. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 15, 2024 7:41:52 GMT
Drag shows are for perverts, to suggest only US republicans find them offensive is a pretty weak strawman and pretty obviously untrue. Huh? Danny La Rue was mainstream family entertainment 50 years ago. And then later Hinge and Bracket. Lily Savage was obviously post-watershed. Mrs Brown's Boys, rubbish but not perverted. And before them, Old Mother Riley and pantomime dames. I was going to post links to contemporary queens but there's little point. If they believe that Trixie Mattel is putting on shows for perverts there's little help. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 15, 2024 7:57:38 GMT
Broke: Voting Labour
Woke: Voting Green
Bespoke: Voting Independent
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Post by Sandy on Aug 15, 2024 7:59:35 GMT
Drag shows are for perverts, to suggest only US republicans find them offensive is a pretty weak strawman and pretty obviously untrue. Huh? Danny La Rue was mainstream family entertainment 50 years ago. And then later Hinge and Bracket. Lily Savage was obviously post-watershed. Mrs Brown's Boys, rubbish but not perverted. And before them, Old Mother Riley and pantomime dames. The pro LGBT charter, conflate things in the mainstream with their overtly sexualised and disgusting “culture” to make it appear civil. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Aug 15, 2024 8:05:00 GMT
Huh? Danny La Rue was mainstream family entertainment 50 years ago. And then later Hinge and Bracket. Lily Savage was obviously post-watershed. Mrs Brown's Boys, rubbish but not perverted. And before them, Old Mother Riley and pantomime dames. The pro LGBT charter, conflate things in the mainstream with their overtly sexualised and disgusting “culture” to make it appear civil. And you do the reverse. If Erdogan doesn't have a problem with drag shows in the Costa Del Kebab of Turkish holiday resorts, why do you? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 15, 2024 8:11:08 GMT
I see that the Aberbargoed & Bargoed ward includes the village of Bedwellty which is tiny. Obviously it gave its name to an urban district which in turn gave its name to the parliamentary seat, but it still must be one of the smallest (if not the smallest) places to have provided a constituency name
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