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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 13, 2024 16:58:36 GMT
They’re just handwritten leaflets quite honestly. I can’t afford massive printing charges. We are ok but not rich. Mortgage is £1800 out each month. Household income is about 100 grand. I’m doing my best to campaign. Posting handmade leaflets, not dog shit. I have done all 3,000 yes. My income is largely passive nowadays. Gambling, premium bonds, stocks and shares. Did you actually research printing costs or get any quotes? I gather from some of tonyhill's posts that printing costs may have gone up a bit in recent years (price of paper particularly) but they're hardly likely to bankrupt someone with a household income in five figures. When I stood for UKIP, most of the leaflets were done through the party, using their template and their house print company, but I did produce some of my own and they cost next to fuck all. I got mine printed in Germany  |
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 16:59:14 GMT
I got emotionally involved re: Feinstein. I see that now - sad result. Leicester South I got laughed at. Then Ashworth lost his seat too. Why are people so anti-independents here? Genuine question and not a criticism. Streeting hopefully goes down in 2029.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 13, 2024 17:02:06 GMT
I honestly miss Richard Allan Esquire. how about Richard Allen? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 13, 2024 17:03:54 GMT
I think most people assumed Corbyn would win fairly easily until a 'rogue' constiituency poll suggested otherwise and I was never convinced by that. The result there was pretty much what I (and many others) expected. Ilford North is fair though - most people, me included, felt that there was no serious threat to Streeting and clearly there was. Shaheen also did a lot better in Chingford than many of us would have predicted. I think Leicester South was also hinted at and that wasn;t on many people's radars. Weld clearly did have his finger on the pulse to a certain extent with Islamist voters at least.
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Post by batman on Aug 13, 2024 17:05:11 GMT
I'm not per se hostile towards independents, at least no more than I am towards other political opponents of my own party. What I am hostile to is antisemitism. I am not saying that all of the independents who were elected to Parliament in 2019 are antisemitic - probably the worst anti-Semites were defeated, along with their racist chums in the WPB - but I have some suspicions that at least more than one of them might be; it will become clear from their respective parliamentary records over the months & years to come. I cannot absolve Jeremy Corbyn of all antisemitism either. The candidate for Hillrise is not an anti-Semite but he worked very hard on the election campaign of someone who is one only a month ago. My family has lived in this country for well over a century and you will forgive me if I feel that we deserve not to have to put up with Jew-hatred, Jew-suspicion, anti-Jewish stereotypes or any other form of antisemitism.
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 17:06:37 GMT
I honestly miss Richard Allan Esquire. how about Richard Allen? Isn't he the ex LD MP? |
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Post by stb12 on Aug 13, 2024 17:11:09 GMT
I think it’s less hostility and more scepticism since independents have never really been a big part of UK MP numbers and FPTP is a particularly difficult system for them to get elected under. Certainly the number elected and nearly elected was a surprise albeit there was a pattern with the type of constituencies
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Post by islington on Aug 13, 2024 17:14:10 GMT
I got emotionally involved re: Feinstein. I see that now - sad result. Leicester South I got laughed at. Then Ashworth lost his seat too. Why are people so anti-independents here? Genuine question and not a criticism. Streeting hopefully goes down in 2029. OK, I'll bite.
By 'anti-independents', do you mean (a) "Why are people sceptical about independents' chances of election?" or (b) "Why don't people like independents politically?"
Regarding (a), I think it's probably because at GE after GE we've seen independent candidates energetically talking up their chances, expressing a conviction that they 'can really win this thing' and voters are 'fed up with the old parties' and 'the enthusiasm on the doorstep is palpable' and all the rest of it - only with very few exceptions to go down in flames on election day. So it wasn't unreasonable to expect last month's GE to conform to this pattern. The fact that it didn't is one of the many things I got completely wrong, and maybe it means that we are now entering a new type of electoral politics in which the old rules no longer apply.
On (b), I can speak only for myself but the reason I can't see myself voting for an independent - at Parliamentary level, at any rate - is because I want to know, with a reasonable degree of confidence, which way my chosen candidate will go on the really big issues, particularly the making and unmaking of governments. An independent simply doesn't give me the necessary level of predictability.
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 13, 2024 17:17:42 GMT
I see on X, you promise you will fight to turn the old St John's Way pub into a youth club for local young people. Commendable and the sort of campaign that will get your name mentioned and better known in that particular corner of Islington. I may have to revise my prediction that you will achieve less than 2% of the vote I hate how it’s sat empty. Blythwood Road community centre looks closed. Archway Road Steps are a state. The pub (The Royal Oak) had its licence revoked in 2022 after the third serious stabbing incident in as many years. It was up for auction last years by its owners (the pub group Stonegate), but I've no idea if anyone bought it. Any serious redevelopment is probably going to involve its demolition tbh.
Blythwood has been closed since 2020 I think, and effectively was replaced by the newly refurbished Brickworks centre.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 13, 2024 17:18:11 GMT
I got emotionally involved re: Feinstein. I see that now - sad result. Leicester South I got laughed at. Then Ashworth lost his seat too. Why are people so anti-independents here? Genuine question and not a criticism. Streeting hopefully goes down in 2029. OK, I'll bite. By 'anti-independents', do you mean (a) "Why are people sceptical about independents' chances of election?" or (b) "Why don't people like independents politically?" Regarding (a), I think it's probably because at GE after GE we've seen independent candidates energetically talking up their chances, expressing a conviction that they 'can really win this thing' and voters are 'fed up with the old parties' and 'the enthusiasm on the doorstep is palpable' and all the rest of it - only with very few exceptions to go down in flames on election day. So it wasn't unreasonable to expect last month's GE to conform to this pattern. The fact that it didn't is one of the many things I got completely wrong, and maybe it means that we are now entering a new type of electoral politics in which the old rules no longer apply. On (b), I can speak only for myself but the reason I can't see myself voting for an independent - at Parliamentary level, at any rate - is because I want to know, with a reasonable degree of confidence, which way my chosen candidate will go on the really big issues, particularly the making and unmaking of governments. An independent simply doesn't give me the necessary level of predictability.
Even in local government the track record of councils dominated by Independents can be ... problematic. Often involving gross corruption, inconsistent policy direction, or rule by officers. My view has always been that a few Indies often add to the quality of a council, but not too many. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 13, 2024 17:19:17 GMT
Almost 3,000 leaflets delivered - let's go. How many properties/households are there in the ward? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 13, 2024 17:32:53 GMT
Almost 3,000 leaflets delivered - let's go. How many properties/households are there in the ward? Around 6.5k per the 2021 census |
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 17:37:59 GMT
How many properties/households are there in the ward? Around 6.5k per the 2021 census You have many HMOs in Hillrise. Leafletted 98% of properties I think. Many have up to eight doorbells. I've not seen anything like it. It's an easy ward to leaflet. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 17:39:41 GMT
I hate how it’s sat empty. Blythwood Road community centre looks closed. Archway Road Steps are a state. The pub (The Royal Oak) had its licence revoked in 2022 after the third serious stabbing incident in as many years. It was up for auction last years by its owners (the pub group Stonegate), but I've no idea if anyone bought it. Any serious redevelopment is probably going to involve its demolition tbh.
Blythwood has been closed since 2020 I think, and effectively was replaced by the newly refurbished Brickworks centre.
The pub just looks very depressing The youth centre idea is popular. I proposed it in the canvass. The one of a handful lol. So does Blythwood in all honesty. The Steps have always been messy. At least, since late 2020 certainly. There was a chair just dumped. It was lying there for ages. Why does Archway Road resemble Pripyat? |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 13, 2024 17:44:28 GMT
I am coming to the conclusion that all this is a very successful con, on us rather than the electorate. Several people proposed this early on when you posted pictures of the leaflets. I'll be frank, if I received a hand-written election leaflet I would think 'nutter' - this isn't what I think you are, but it would be my response. And if you really have spent your time during the campaign hand-writing 3000 leaflets, which I rather doubt, then it is an incredibly wasteful way to occupy yourself. I am baffled by the contrast between your apparent naivety about British electoral politics, and your informed and interesting commentary on the US election - reminds me of Richard Allan who was excellent on the US sites, and was usually dyspeptic and unpleasant on the rest of the threads (which I am also not saying that you are). I don't usually dispense advice, but I believe that family should come first in one's priorities, work second, and politics third (or fourth, or fifth). And if there are choices to be made then it is politics that gets the chop every time. I don't wish you good luck on Thursday, but I wish you luck with your life. I've been thinking the same for a while. It's almost (but not totally) impossible to believe that someone who knows about the niceties of imprints or eligibility to stand is also stupid enough to think that the council pays for all candidates' election expenditure. Or that someone who can comment on the primary elections for dog-catcher in Hickville's 4th District can also claim not to know what a photocopier is. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 17:50:02 GMT
I am coming to the conclusion that all this is a very successful con, on us rather than the electorate. Several people proposed this early on when you posted pictures of the leaflets. I'll be frank, if I received a hand-written election leaflet I would think 'nutter' - this isn't what I think you are, but it would be my response. And if you really have spent your time during the campaign hand-writing 3000 leaflets, which I rather doubt, then it is an incredibly wasteful way to occupy yourself. I am baffled by the contrast between your apparent naivety about British electoral politics, and your informed and interesting commentary on the US election - reminds me of Richard Allan who was excellent on the US sites, and was usually dyspeptic and unpleasant on the rest of the threads (which I am also not saying that you are). I don't usually dispense advice, but I believe that family should come first in one's priorities, work second, and politics third (or fourth, or fifth). And if there are choices to be made then it is politics that gets the chop every time. I don't wish you good luck on Thursday, but I wish you luck with your life. I've been thinking the same for a while. It's almost (but not totally) impossible to believe that someone who knows about the niceties of imprints or eligibility to stand is also stupid enough to think that the council pays for all candidates' election expenditure. Or that someone who can comment on the primary elections for dog-catcher in Hickville's 4th District can also claim not to know what a photocopier is. Hickville is in Mississippi's 3rd IIRC. |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 13, 2024 17:58:52 GMT
I've been thinking the same for a while. It's almost (but not totally) impossible to believe that someone who knows about the niceties of imprints or eligibility to stand is also stupid enough to think that the council pays for all candidates' election expenditure. Or that someone who can comment on the primary elections for dog-catcher in Hickville's 4th District can also claim not to know what a photocopier is. Hickville is in Mississippi's 3rd IIRC. Well there you go. Such detailed knowledge further demonstrates the point. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 18:02:17 GMT
Hickville is in Mississippi's 3rd IIRC. Well there you go. Such detailed knowledge further demonstrates the point. That last one was a joke. USA just has more interesting elections. That, and they are more often. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Aug 13, 2024 18:04:54 GMT
They’re just handwritten leaflets quite honestly. I can’t afford massive printing charges. We are ok but not rich. Mortgage is £1800 out each month. Household income is about 100 grand. From my standpoint that's rich. Four times median household income, eight times my household income. Rich. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 13, 2024 18:16:04 GMT
They’re just handwritten leaflets quite honestly. I can’t afford massive printing charges. We are ok but not rich. Mortgage is £1800 out each month. Household income is about 100 grand. From my standpoint that's rich. Four times median household income, eight times my household income. Rich. Tax, mortgage, foreign holidays, investing, saving. It all goes on something ultimately. Student loan takes a big whack. |
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