|
|
Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 8:07:19 GMT
I think if you read the leaflets, you’d vote for me without question. I just get the issues here. I’ve dealt with archway steps before. I lived in N6 for years. Now I’m back - nothing has changed. Islington council are just pretty rubbish. Labour should pump money their way. Anything less is Tory austerity 2.0. What about all the tax recently? Let’s spend that / recoup PPE money.
|
|
r34t
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,166
|
Post by r34t on Aug 11, 2024 8:07:50 GMT
Numbers of leaflets alone do not pick up votes The vast majority of leaflets go in the bin unread (excluding the 5 second rule) |
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 8:08:59 GMT
Numbers of leaflets alone do not pick up votes The vast majority of leaflets go in the bin unread (excluding the 5 second rule) Fine - prove it in this context. You can’t - nobody here can, ofc. That’s not the vibe we’re getting. I’m second or first quite honestly. Look at the leaflets actually delivered. Islington’s an against political parties area. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2024 8:13:12 GMT
I think if you read the leaflets, you’d vote for me without question. I just get the issues here. I’ve dealt with archway steps before. I lived in N6 for years. Now I’m back - nothing has changed. Islington council are just pretty rubbish. Labour should pump money their way. Anything less is Tory austerity 2.0. What about all the tax recently? Let’s spend that / recoup PPE money. How many of your 2,500 leaflets have been read? How many people have read your leaflet then read another one that they think is a better offer? Frankly just saying "if you've read my leaflet you'll vote for me" is extremely arrogant |
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 8:13:54 GMT
I think if you read the leaflets, you’d vote for me without question. I just get the issues here. I’ve dealt with archway steps before. I lived in N6 for years. Now I’m back - nothing has changed. Islington council are just pretty rubbish. Labour should pump money their way. Anything less is Tory austerity 2.0. What about all the tax recently? Let’s spend that / recoup PPE money. How many of your 2,500 leaflets have been read? How many people have read your leaflet then read another one that they think is a better offer? Frankly just saying "if you've read my leaflet you'll vote for me" is extremely arrogant A majority based on canvassing feedback. Do you know who I am? |
|
r34t
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,166
|
Post by r34t on Aug 11, 2024 8:15:47 GMT
I think if you read the leaflets, you’d vote for me without question. I just get the issues here. I’ve dealt with archway steps before. I lived in N6 for years. Now I’m back - nothing has changed. Islington council are just pretty rubbish. Labour should pump money their way. Anything less is Tory austerity 2.0. What about all the tax recently? Let’s spend that / recoup PPE money. How many of your 2,500 leaflets have been read? How many people have read your leaflet then read another one that they think is a better offer? Frankly just saying "if you've read my leaflet you'll vote for me" is extremely arrogant If every other candidate has delivered 2500 leaflets then presumably they will get the same ‘yield’, if they have delivered 5000 then double I assume. |
|
r34t
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,166
|
Post by r34t on Aug 11, 2024 8:16:35 GMT
How many of your 2,500 leaflets have been read? How many people have read your leaflet then read another one that they think is a better offer? Frankly just saying "if you've read my leaflet you'll vote for me" is extremely arrogant A majority based on canvassing feedback. Do you know who I am? What canvassing ? |
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 8:17:02 GMT
I’m tired of these wild predictions.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2024 8:18:18 GMT
The vast majority of leaflets go in the bin unread (excluding the 5 second rule) Fine - prove it in this context. You can’t - nobody here can, ofc. That’s not the vibe we’re getting. I’m second or first quite honestly. Look at the leaflets actually delivered. Islington’s an against political parties area. We have looked at the leaflets delivered and they mostly look very unprofessional. You've delivered 2,500 leaflets, Labour and the Greens are almost certainly at 2 or 3 times that and not scrawled on scraps of paper. They will have detailed canvassing data going back years on which to base a campaign. They will be able to tailor their canvassing to known supporters and known swing voters, be able to put together a GOTV campaign to get the number of voters they need, they will be able to target specific voters with specific leaflets. You are expecting people to vote for you because they've had one shall we say "homemade" leaflet? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2024 8:19:12 GMT
How many of your 2,500 leaflets have been read? How many people have read your leaflet then read another one that they think is a better offer? Frankly just saying "if you've read my leaflet you'll vote for me" is extremely arrogant A majority based on canvassing feedback. Do you know who I am? Should I? |
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 8:21:26 GMT
A majority based on canvassing feedback. Do you know who I am? Should I? MP for Islington North in 2034. |
|
r34t
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,166
|
Post by r34t on Aug 11, 2024 8:36:55 GMT
A majority based on canvassing feedback. Do you know who I am? Should I? But it is an interesting insight. The idea that people 'know who you are' because ..... is an odd one. In BaNES we have 6 independent councillors because in settled communities people may know who you are & so there may also be name recognition. That name recognition is based on many years of visible & valued activity in the local community. However in urban & more transient Bristol there are no independent councillors, ward sizes are larger so voters rely on party political labels as the shorthand to recognising who candidates 'are' & what they stand for. As far as I can see at the last set of local elections in Islington there were no independent councillors elected. There has, of course, been one recent election where an independent was elected, but I'd suggest is to do with visible name recognition that was reinforced in the national media. This is unlikely to be a factor in a few days time. |
|
johnloony
Conservative
Posts: 24,464
Member is Online
|
Post by johnloony on Aug 11, 2024 8:36:56 GMT
I think if you read the leaflets, you’d vote for me without question. I just get the issues here. I’ve dealt with archway steps before. I lived in N6 for years. Now I’m back - nothing has changed. Islington council are just pretty rubbish. Labour should pump money their way. Anything less is Tory austerity 2.0. What about all the tax recently? Let’s spend that / recoup PPE money. A leaflet which say “I will deal with issue X” doesn’t mean that a sole Independent councillor will be able to do anything about X. You might want to, but the voters will realise you can’t. |
|
johnloony
Conservative
Posts: 24,464
Member is Online
|
Post by johnloony on Aug 11, 2024 8:39:11 GMT
2,500+ leaflets won't equal 30 votes. It'll be more like 250 minimum. I stand by that forecast TBH. In Waddon ward in Croydon in 2009 I delivered 5,500 leaflets and got 11 votes. In Fairfield in 2005 I delivered 4,000 and got 31. In Bensham Manor in 2004 I delivered 4,000 and got 44. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2024 8:41:33 GMT
MP for Islington North in 2034. Seriously, get help |
|
The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 38,829
Member is Online
|
Post by The Bishop on Aug 11, 2024 8:48:37 GMT
MP for Islington North in 2034. Which party? Cos you sure as hell aren't winning as an independent unless your name is one J B Corbyn. |
|
|
|
Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 8:53:12 GMT
2,500+ leaflets won't equal 30 votes. It'll be more like 250 minimum. I stand by that forecast TBH. In Waddon ward in Croydon in 2009 I delivered 5,500 leaflets and got 11 votes. In Fairfield in 2005 I delivered 4,000 and got 31. In Bensham Manor in 2004 I delivered 4,000 and got 44. Fundamentally unserious politician. |
|
r34t
Non-Aligned
Posts: 1,166
|
Post by r34t on Aug 11, 2024 8:54:22 GMT
In Waddon ward in Croydon in 2009 I delivered 5,500 leaflets and got 11 votes. In Fairfield in 2005 I delivered 4,000 and got 31. In Bensham Manor in 2004 I delivered 4,000 and got 44. Fundamentally unserious politician. at last a degree of personal insight  |
|
|
|
Post by andrewteale on Aug 11, 2024 8:55:53 GMT
I will be drafting the Preview for this ward later today and this thread will be taken into consideration.
|
|
johnloony
Conservative
Posts: 24,464
Member is Online
|
Post by johnloony on Aug 11, 2024 8:56:46 GMT
Locals predictions... HILLRISE, ISLINGTON, LONDON NANDA (Labour) 710 NETTLE (Green) 510 PARR-REID (Independent) 30 STOEKER (Independent) 240 WALL (Liberal Democrat) 180 LAB HOLD T/O 17% CAERPHILLY, Aberbargoed & Bargoed BC BISSEX-FOSTER (Labour) 550 McCARTHY (Plaid Cymru) 650 THOMAS (Green) 230 PC GAIN T/O 20% Hillrise turnout feels about right, XD. The rest is somewhat more questionable. Corbyn isn’t exactly endorsing Alison, really. They are pictured together for sure. But that’s more or less it. 30 votes from 2,500+ leaflets lol? The yield likely will exceed that. To batman, people appreciate handwritten literature. Why is that the case here? It suggests genuine effort from me. Contrast that with Mr Steadman’s antics. People read them because they’re homespun. 30 votes is a funny prediction. Why is it so funny then? Because it’s easy to exceed it. I’m confident it misses a 0. I’ve played the local card hugely. Plus Hillrise’s western end is prosperous. Which means higher turnouts I’d posit. Whitehall Park will not vote Alison. And sharpies are better than watermelons. May the best candidate win it. At least you’ve lowered your expectations. People thought I’d never win Standing. Eliminated first they all thought once. I have defied detractors once before. I will confound Vote UK critics. My benchmark is actually 255 votes. My Oxford Union Secretary result in MT18. 17.4% and 18.09% after STV transfers. It’s what Perot got in Pennsylvania. Mansfield’s Rickersey got 17.4% in 2005. He stood as Mansfield Independent Forum. It’s psychologically true running independently, IMHO. I’ve never needed a slate / party. It suggests disorganisation from someone who can’t even organise a proper leaflet being properly printed. |
|
