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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 15:52:18 GMT
I will lobby the Labour council to persuade the Labour Health Secretary to enact it. Given that Islington has given Labour many MPs over the years, maybe Labour should give something back? and why would Labour listen to you? If you want to influence Labour Party policy the logical thing would be to join. Unfortunately, you've made yourself ineligible for a minimum of 3 years Because if I win, Labour will have a safe ward (they got 60% in May) to an independent. I believe a loss for them might shift the conversation. Maybe it's naïveté. I'm afraid I'm not interesting in joining Labour as, as implied heavily elsewhere, I don't agree with the current leadership. I would reconsider if Angela Rayner was Labour leader. Do remember that I've only voted for one Labour candidate in my life - Sadiq Khan, because he is a good guy, and routinely to the left of Starmer, IMHO. |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Aug 8, 2024 16:39:27 GMT
Why are you running against the the Greens AND the Corbyn backed independent candidate. Isn't a better use of your time spent supporting either of those campaigns rather than being a spoiler candidate that will ensure a Labour victory sanders. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 16:42:35 GMT
Why are you running against the the Greens AND the Corbyn backed independent candidate. Isn't a better use of your time spent supporting either of those campaigns rather than being a spoiler candidate that will ensure a Labour victory sanders . I think I would make a good Councillor and I believe I am the best candidate for the job, having lived in the N6 area on and off for two and a half years. I want to win. I don't think Labour wins this because 1) Corbyn-linked disaffection with Labour in north Islington 2) voter fatigue having voted for a Councillor for this same seat in May and 3) Labour are now in government - the Lib Dems held this ward when New Labour were in power. I think I have a shot but others may disagree with that. |
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Post by batman on Aug 8, 2024 17:24:47 GMT
and why would Labour listen to you? If you want to influence Labour Party policy the logical thing would be to join. Unfortunately, you've made yourself ineligible for a minimum of 3 years Because if I win, Labour will have a safe ward (they got 60% in May) to an independent. I believe a loss for them might shift the conversation. Maybe it's naïveté. I'm afraid I'm not interesting in joining Labour as, as implied heavily elsewhere, I don't agree with the current leadership. I would reconsider if Angela Rayner was Labour leader. Do remember that I've only voted for one Labour candidate in my life - Sadiq Khan, because he is a good guy, and routinely to the left of Starmer, IMHO. "maybe it's naïveté" - you don't say........... |
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Post by batman on Aug 8, 2024 17:27:49 GMT
and why would Labour listen to you? If you want to influence Labour Party policy the logical thing would be to join. Unfortunately, you've made yourself ineligible for a minimum of 3 years Because if I win, Labour will have a safe ward (they got 60% in May) to an independent. I believe a loss for them might shift the conversation. Maybe it's naïveté. I'm afraid I'm not interesting in joining Labour as, as implied heavily elsewhere, I don't agree with the current leadership. I would reconsider if Angela Rayner was Labour leader. Do remember that I've only voted for one Labour candidate in my life - Sadiq Khan, because he is a good guy, and routinely to the left of Starmer, IMHO. not agreeing with the current leadership is not a particularly good reason not to join the Labour Party - you can't change its leadership from outside. Yes I know Starmer will be leader a good long time, but a political party should not just be a fan club for its leader. Although some like the Workers' Party of Britain obviously are. Not that I want you to join the party, I'm just sayin', as I believe the vernacular is in your beloved USA. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 17:31:39 GMT
Because if I win, Labour will have a safe ward (they got 60% in May) to an independent. I believe a loss for them might shift the conversation. Maybe it's naïveté. I'm afraid I'm not interesting in joining Labour as, as implied heavily elsewhere, I don't agree with the current leadership. I would reconsider if Angela Rayner was Labour leader. Do remember that I've only voted for one Labour candidate in my life - Sadiq Khan, because he is a good guy, and routinely to the left of Starmer, IMHO. "maybe it's naïveté" - you don't say........... You are 33 years older than me - maybe, just maybe some of the boomer posters (not necessarily focusing any perceived ire on yourself, could give me a break? Idk. I guess as a Councillor one has to have a. thick skin and someone one, shockingly enough, called us a "bunch of lefties' when campaigning for Feinstein around Theobalds Road in Holborn. I took it as a compliment, but she screwed up our leaflet and threw it on the ground. That's politics. How was your time on Richmond Council btw? |
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Post by Sandy on Aug 8, 2024 17:44:37 GMT
I don't disagree with the policy but I am curious as to how a local councillor would be able to successfully carry out the legalization of cannabis in their area. I will lobby the Labour council to persuade the Labour Health Secretary to enact it. Given that Islington has given Labour many MPs over the years, maybe Labour should give something back? Are you suggesting Labour should legalise that revolting substance as a bribe to keep Islington voters onside? |
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 17:54:27 GMT
I will lobby the Labour council to persuade the Labour Health Secretary to enact it. Given that Islington has given Labour many MPs over the years, maybe Labour should give something back? Are you suggesting Labour should legalise that revolting substance as a bribe to keep Islington voters onside? They should decriminalise weed as it’s the right thing to do. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 8, 2024 18:01:40 GMT
Are you suggesting Labour should legalise that revolting substance as a bribe to keep Islington voters onside? They should decriminalise weed as it’s the tight thing to do. well it certainly would be after a couple of spliffs. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 8, 2024 18:07:51 GMT
It doesn’t take a month to deliver them. It takes a month to write them. You win - I’ll photocopy the rest. Don't forget the appropriate imprint if you photocopy them. Home address if you do them at home, (their) business address if you're paying someone else. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Aug 8, 2024 18:11:10 GMT
I don't disagree with the policy but I am curious as to how a local councillor would be able to successfully carry out the legalization of cannabis in their area. I will lobby the Labour council to persuade the Labour Health Secretary to enact it. Given that Islington has given Labour many MPs over the years, maybe Labour should give something back? That really isn't how it works. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 18:23:30 GMT
I will lobby the Labour council to persuade the Labour Health Secretary to enact it. Given that Islington has given Labour many MPs over the years, maybe Labour should give something back? That really isn't how it works. If there’s any whiff (pun intended) of Labour losing Hackney, Camden or Islington in 2026, might they change their chance or allow a controlled trial in London of decriminalisation? |
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Post by tonyhil on Aug 8, 2024 19:38:43 GMT
Personal consumption of cannabis is effectively decriminalised anyway, unless the police are looking for an easy excuse to arrest someone.
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 20:02:24 GMT
Personal consumption of cannabis is effectively decriminalised anyway, unless the police are looking for an easy excuse to arrest someone. Maybe. Let’s finish the job then. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2024 20:07:42 GMT
That really isn't how it works. If there’s any whiff (pun intended) of Labour losing Hackney, Camden or Islington in 2026, might they change their chance or allow a controlled trial in London of decriminalisation? No. |
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Post by stodge on Aug 8, 2024 20:12:16 GMT
I was at Cafe Forum in the Holloway Road a week or so for a very decent late breakfast.
It's been a long time since I did elections but a week out and I wouldn't be doing random canvassing - I'd be going back on the "possibles" to try and firm them up as well as sending out any targeted leaflets either to particular roads or to particular identified voter groups prior to the final push over the weekend.
Given it's an August by election, it's likely to be a) low turnout and b) a number of voters will be away so presumably a lot more postal votes.
As for what to do on polling day, there's a temptation not to waste resources on staffing polling stations with a 20-25% turnout but you have to find out who has voted if you are going to get your vote out. Presumably a targeted "Good Morning" leaflet followed then by selective knock up through the day.
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Post by batman on Aug 8, 2024 20:15:52 GMT
"maybe it's naïveté" - you don't say........... You are 33 years older than me - maybe, just maybe some of the boomer posters (not necessarily focusing any perceived ire on yourself, could give me a break? Idk. I guess as a Councillor one has to have a. thick skin and someone one, shockingly enough, called us a "bunch of lefties' when campaigning for Feinstein around Theobalds Road in Holborn. I took it as a compliment, but she screwed up our leaflet and threw it on the ground. That's politics. How was your time on Richmond Council btw? give you a break? Come on. You're making endless wild assertions and the idea that you should be free of comeback is patently ludicrous. I was actually co-opted to the Labour Group in Richmond-upon-Thames Council, and attended all Group meetings, from 1998 to 2002 even though I was not a councillor. I did however come far, far closer to actually being elected than you will be next week. I may not have won an election myself, having only ever been a Labour candidate for Richmond-upon-Thames, but I do know quite a lot about how to win an election. To win an election in anything other than a super-safe ward requires a great deal of particular kinds of election activity. I am confident in saying that such activity has not been seen on your campaign. Yes, it's perfectly possible that Labour will lose Hillrise, but not to you. It's not because you're evil or stupid - of course you aren't - but because you're an independent, with nothing like enough volunteers or a party machine, and because your leaflets will turn people off straight away. People just won't wade through them. And because you have no chance of canvassing anything like enough of the electorate to get your message across. It is very occasionally possible for people to win elections without a party machine - just look at Mal Grimston in Wandsworth - but Mal has a track record of many years' service as a local councillor. You do not. I hope you will take these remarks in the constructive manner in which they were intended. I could have been far more hostile if I'd felt like it, but I'm not as touchy or combustible as you are. PS I am actually in favour of legalising cannabis, but it is simply not a local government issue, and I should have thought you were intelligent & knowledgeable enough to know that. |
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Post by tonyhil on Aug 8, 2024 20:20:48 GMT
I'd rather leave the situation regarding the personal possession of cannabis fuzzy: legalisation opens several cans of worms.
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 20:57:29 GMT
You are 33 years older than me - maybe, just maybe some of the boomer posters (not necessarily focusing any perceived ire on yourself, could give me a break? Idk. I guess as a Councillor one has to have a. thick skin and someone one, shockingly enough, called us a "bunch of lefties' when campaigning for Feinstein around Theobalds Road in Holborn. I took it as a compliment, but she screwed up our leaflet and threw it on the ground. That's politics. How was your time on Richmond Council btw? give you a break? Come on. You're making endless wild assertions and the idea that you should be free of comeback is patently ludicrous. I was actually co-opted to the Labour Group in Richmond-upon-Thames Council, and attended all Group meetings, from 1998 to 2002 even though I was not a councillor. I did however come far, far closer to actually being elected than you will be next week. I may not have won an election myself, having only ever been a Labour candidate for Richmond-upon-Thames, but I do know quite a lot about how to win an election. To win an election in anything other than a super-safe ward requires a great deal of particular kinds of election activity. I am confident in saying that such activity has not been seen on your campaign. Yes, it's perfectly possible that Labour will lose Hillrise, but not to you. It's not because you're evil or stupid - of course you aren't - but because you're an independent, with nothing like enough volunteers or a party machine, and because your leaflets will turn people off straight away. People just won't wade through them. And because you have no chance of canvassing anything like enough of the electorate to get your message across. It is very occasionally possible for people to win elections without a party machine - just look at Mal Grimston in Wandsworth - but Mal has a track record of many years' service as a local councillor. You do not. I hope you will take these remarks in the constructive manner in which they were intended. I could have been far more hostile if I'd felt like it, but I'm not as touchy or combustible as you are. PS I am actually in favour of legalising cannabis, but it is simply not a local government issue, and I should have thought you were intelligent & knowledgeable enough to know that. I'm not dissing you! I was a baby in 1998 and I thought you got in for Labour then (it is not a snipe or a dig). With all due respect, there's been no polling here, and nobodyy knows who will win this - I'm not saying I will, but there's no polling data or things of the ilk to suggest a definitive outcome either way. My view, call it naive or whatever the fuck you like (no offence - it's not just you, Barnaby) is that 1) Labour doesn't want to lose seats in Islington and so 2) they will take on positions that help them, I would have thought, pollster their local government base, especial if they want to take out Corbyn in 2029. Maybe I'm stupid, but I feel I've got good polices for north islington. I always take your remarks on board - I love boomer wisdom (my dad was born in 1961). No offence meant at all honestly. |
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Post by sanders on Aug 8, 2024 20:59:22 GMT
I was at Cafe Forum in the Holloway Road a week or so for a very decent late breakfast. It's been a long time since I did elections but a week out and I wouldn't be doing random canvassing - I'd be going back on the "possibles" to try and firm them up as well as sending out any targeted leaflets either to particular roads or to particular identified voter groups prior to the final push over the weekend. Given it's an August by election, it's likely to be a) low turnout and b) a number of voters will be away so presumably a lot more postal votes. As for what to do on polling day, there's a temptation not to waste resources on staffing polling stations with a 20-25% turnout but you have to find out who has voted if you are going to get your vote out. Presumably a targeted "Good Morning" leaflet followed then by selective knock up through the day. If that's advice, thank you. We're focusing in the part of the ward nearest to my home in Whitehall Park, where we'e had decent responses and support. The forum will be pleased to know I'm not an autistic piece of shit all the time (I know that might be hard to fathom). My autism and nystagmus were a source of humour once lol. |
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