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Post by tonyhil on Jul 27, 2024 10:00:25 GMT
And irony does not register with electors - something you need to be aware of as you are standing for election.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 27, 2024 10:14:48 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 27, 2024 10:54:45 GMT
I must confess that I read the 10 pages on this thread. It took 20 minutes but I must admit it was worth it - rather entertaining. This young man - weld, Sanders, has some very interesting things to say and on occasions has proved to be clever and Wise. for instance he suggested that Shaheen in Chingford could achieve 22% of the vote, while nearly all scoffed (she ended with 25%). His pedigree looks impressive: Trinity College Oxford (and a member of the University Challenge team); after all it is the Alma Mater of three Prime Ministers. I think some the comments aimed at him are horrible, especially on the earlier pages and some accusations have been levelled at him - there is no evidence that he has not included an imprint on his election material. It is highly unusual to handwrite material for voters but I agree with him the old way of doing things; it's very stale, boring and probably ineffective. I'm convinced that only a tiny, you could say negligible, amount of people actually read or even look at the glossy leaflets from the main parties. So good luck to you young man. I'm not totally sure of your politics but from what I've seen you don't seem to be a bad egg. good luck You say that, and it is tempting to agree - certainly that there is widespread disaffection with "politics as usual" cannot be doubted, and the recent GE demonstrated that in all sorts of ways. But still, ask any activist worth their salt and they will tell you the same thing - constant leafleting *does* have an effect, and mostly a positive one for all some complain about it. You mention Faiza Shaheen - one thing she did was lots of leafleting and her offerings were professional and convincing. Whether that also applies to the @sanders efforts is ultimately something for his voters to pass judgement on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 11:05:42 GMT
I must confess that I read the 10 pages on this thread. It took 20 minutes but I must admit it was worth it - rather entertaining. This young man - weld, Sanders, has some very interesting things to say and on occasions has proved to be clever and Wise. for instance he suggested that Shaheen in Chingford could achieve 22% of the vote, while nearly all scoffed (she ended with 25%). His pedigree looks impressive: Trinity College Oxford (and a member of the University Challenge team); after all it is the Alma Mater of three Prime Ministers. I think some the comments aimed at him are horrible, especially on the earlier pages and some accusations have been levelled at him - there is no evidence that he has not included an imprint on his election material. It is highly unusual to handwrite material for voters but I agree with him the old way of doing things; it's very stale, boring and probably ineffective. I'm convinced that only a tiny, you could say negligible, amount of people actually read or even look at the glossy leaflets from the main parties. So good luck to you young man. I'm not totally sure of your politics but from what I've seen you don't seem to be a bad egg. good luck You say that, and it is tempting to agree - certainly that there is widespread disaffection with "politics as usual" cannot be doubted, and the recent GE demonstrated that in all sorts of ways. But still, ask any activist worth their salt and they will tell you the same thing - constant leafleting *does* have an effect, and mostly a positive one for all some complain about it. You mention Faiza Shaheen - one thing she did was lots of leafleting and her offerings were professional and convincing. Whether that also applies to the @sanders efforts is ultimately something for his voters to pass judgement on. Both of them? |
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Post by tonyhil on Jul 27, 2024 11:31:37 GMT
In the distant days when I was an agent handwritten material didn't require an imprint. Has that changed? Obviously if you handwrite something than then produce copies with a machine it does require an imprint.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 14:14:24 GMT
I must confess that I read the 10 pages on this thread. It took 20 minutes but I must admit it was worth it - rather entertaining. This young man - weld, Sanders, has some very interesting things to say and on occasions has proved to be clever and Wise. for instance he suggested that Shaheen in Chingford could achieve 22% of the vote, while nearly all scoffed (she ended with 25%). His pedigree looks impressive: Trinity College Oxford (and a member of the University Challenge team); after all it is the Alma Mater of three Prime Ministers. I think some the comments aimed at him are horrible, especially on the earlier pages and some accusations have been levelled at him - there is no evidence that he has not included an imprint on his election material. It is highly unusual to handwrite material for voters but I agree with him the old way of doing things; it's very stale, boring and probably ineffective. I'm convinced that only a tiny, you could say negligible, amount of people actually read or even look at the glossy leaflets from the main parties. So good luck to you young man. I'm not totally sure of your politics but from what I've seen you don't seem to be a bad egg. good luck Thank you. That means a lot. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 27, 2024 14:43:50 GMT
Doubt it... the Politcal Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 only mentions "election materials" and says '"Election material” means material which can reasonably be regarded as intended to promote or procure electoral success at any relevant election for (party candidates) and ...candidates who hold (or do not hold) particular opinions or who advocate (or do not advocate) particular policies or who otherwise fall within a particular category of candidates'. So it means any material I'd have thought So does election material that is so incompetently written that it will put people off the candidate require an imprint? |
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Post by Sandy on Jul 27, 2024 15:05:29 GMT
Then why did you say both of those things on this forum? I think it’s playing devil’s advocate. Give up the Socialist act. You’re still a wet Tory. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 27, 2024 16:08:13 GMT
And yet..... at the same time you appear to be a babe in the wood when it comes to the practicalities. For example, in one of your recent posts you imply that you could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day. Even though I am several decades older than you, I reckon 300 to 400 is a practical daily limit for anyone. That's very clearly not the case. In a ward like mine which is mostly terraces 300-400 is a single morning session of two to three hours. and most healthy people are capable of delivering over 1000 if they devote the entire day to it. I've done this multiple times in Coventry over the years. Most of what @sanders is saying about his campaign indicates that he doesn't know what he's doing. But if the ward is made up of compact housing types (terraces, tower blocks, other housing types with small drives/front gardens) and is reasonably flat then it is entirely plausible that a physically healthy young man like him could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jul 27, 2024 16:13:45 GMT
Doubt it... the Politcal Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 only mentions "election materials" and says '"Election material” means material which can reasonably be regarded as intended to promote or procure electoral success at any relevant election for (party candidates) and ...candidates who hold (or do not hold) particular opinions or who advocate (or do not advocate) particular policies or who otherwise fall within a particular category of candidates'. So it means any material I'd have thought So does election material that is so incompetently written that it will put people off the candidate require an imprint? I think there's case law that any material that is intended to influence an election in any direction is controlled literature. So, literature trying to reduce somebody's support without trying to increase anybody else's support is controlled literature. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jul 27, 2024 16:39:36 GMT
And yet..... at the same time you appear to be a babe in the wood when it comes to the practicalities. For example, in one of your recent posts you imply that you could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day. Even though I am several decades older than you, I reckon 300 to 400 is a practical daily limit for anyone. That's very clearly not the case. In a ward like mine which is mostly terraces 300-400 is a single morning session of two to three hours. and most healthy people are capable of delivering over 1000 if they devote the entire day to it. I've done this multiple times in Coventry over the years. Most of what @sanders is saying about his campaign indicates that he doesn't know what he's doing. But if the ward is made up of compact housing types (terraces, tower blocks, other housing types with small drives/front gardens) and is reasonably flat then it is entirely plausible that a physically healthy young man like him could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day.
Would tend to agree, in terrain like that back in my prime in the late 90's early 00's, I did used to deliver around 1000 a day at weekends. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2024 5:50:14 GMT
Hundreds of leaflets run out fast because of population density. There's buildings in the south of the ward with eight people living in them. Lots of subdivided houses. I believe the ward only has around 66 detached properties based on the council's own data and they are nearly all in the vicinity of Hornsey Lane and see themselves as a southern projection of Highgate, or Whitehall Park. It stands out like a sore thumb in the ward.
The ward can be cut into three pieces - it's more upscale the further west one is. We have fine old Victorian and Edwardian housing just bordering the Archway Road - some of which are still single family homes which speaks to the opulence of the area. Then as you progress further east you reach New Orleans Walk, Hazelville Road and Sunnyside Road - these are dominated by council housing with the New Orleans Walk area a huge council estate even for Islington council estates. I've not seen anything like that in my years living in Camden and Hackney.
As we cross over Hornsey Rise, we get into more solidly council estate areas, with areas like Lomas Road dominated by social housing. Moving south in the middle third of the ward you have much higher population density around Hornsey Road's southern phalanx and just before you get to Corbyn Street and the Masjid-e-Yusuf. These areas have by far the most Corbyn signs of anywhere in the seat, and they came in from Tollington ward in 2022.
Parts of those areas like Grenville Road feel like safe Labour areas (FWIW) and you can see signs of unloved gardens and driveways etc. The concentration of HMOs here is slightly terrifying with one wondering how people live cheek by jowl like that. Still, who am I to judge?
Over to the last part of the seat east of Crouch Hill you have more council estates and the rather lovely Ella Road just before the Haringey boundary. This area seems a mix of property types and age ranges and is generally very pleasant. The estates are mostly decent and we will need to up our game if we do door-to-door canvassing.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 28, 2024 8:49:23 GMT
we will need to up our game if we do door-to-door canvassing. How many people do you have working on your campaign? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2024 8:59:38 GMT
we will need to up our game if we do door-to-door canvassing. How many people do you have working on your campaign? Five. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 28, 2024 9:14:51 GMT
Interesting insights.
Are you going to have leaflets printed? If no why not? Do you have money to do it? Is it lack of money or that you simply don't think leaflets will do much good if at all?
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Post by iang on Jul 28, 2024 11:56:56 GMT
I'm not convinced unloved gardens and driveways are by definition signs of Labour support
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Post by norflondon on Jul 28, 2024 12:01:26 GMT
More likely to be as they're probably rented properties. Front of houses are neglected because most landlords don't give a damn what it looks like and also it's difficult to get tenants/ renters to all agree on cleaning/gardening /tidying up. Sad but true.
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Post by iang on Jul 28, 2024 12:02:55 GMT
Yes, but why does that mean their inhabitants are more likely to vote Labour? That was what was being claimed.
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Post by r34t on Jul 28, 2024 12:06:51 GMT
Yes, but why does that mean their inhabitants are more likely to vote Labour? That was what was being claimed. It's a local election. The majority of inhabitants won't be voting for anyone at all. |
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Post by norflondon on Jul 28, 2024 12:11:26 GMT
Ha that's true. Pitiful levels of engagement, it's a joke
But it's a reasonable assumption surely that younger ppl, poorer, non home owners, renters, public sector tenants vote Labour a little more than voting Con or LibDem?
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