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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 20, 2024 11:27:02 GMT
The Beckton by election yesterday saw the Green vote halve from the 2022 elections Beckton has a Muslim community but it's not as dominant as Plaistow or Plashet - indeed, Beckton is better known for its Lithuanian community. It's also got strong ties to the University of East London (UEL) and student accommodation. Some although the 2022 boundary changes pulled the boundary up from the dock to the DLR and so the Cyprus UEL campus is now in the Royal Albert ward. Going quite a long way back (and boundaries may not be exactly the same of course) but Little Ilford was once the Liberal stronghold in Newham It's the north east corner of the borough so there's been greater continuity than with some wards though prior to 2002 the City of London Cemetery was in Manor Park ward - there aren't that many ways to cross the Great Eastern Mainline/Elizabeth Line around here. By stronghold I presume you mean the 1982 election when the Liberals or Alliance took all three seats though their share was slightly stronger in Greatfields where they also took all three (or was this a Liberal SDP distinction?) and the Alliance lost one of their Little Ilford seats in an odd double by-election in 1984 when two councillors restood, with Stephen Timms gaining the seat. (Lyn Brown also started on the council in a later 1980s by-election in Little Ilford.) The only ward to since elect Liberals/SDP/Liberal Democrats was the misleadingly named "South" which covered Beckton, North Woolwich and some of the area north of the A13 with Alec Kellaway winning in a 1987 by-election for the SDP and holding his seat as a Lib Dem in 1990 & 1994 before having one of the most infamous non-MP defections a month later. I think the only other ward to elect Liberals/Alliance/Lib Dems at two successive regular elections was Upton (now Green Street West) back in the 1960s. |
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Post by maxque on Jul 20, 2024 13:04:51 GMT
The Beckton by election yesterday saw the Green vote halve from the 2022 elections Beckton has a Muslim community but it's not as dominant as Plaistow or Plashet - indeed, Beckton is better known for its Lithuanian community. It's also got strong ties to the University of East London (UEL) and student accommodation. Some although the 2022 boundary changes pulled the boundary up from the dock to the DLR and so the Cyprus UEL campus is now in the Royal Albert ward. Going quite a long way back (and boundaries may not be exactly the same of course) but Little Ilford was once the Liberal stronghold in Newham It's the north east corner of the borough so there's been greater continuity than with some wards though prior to 2002 the City of London Cemetery was in Manor Park ward - there aren't that many ways to cross the Great Eastern Mainline/Elizabeth Line around here. By stronghold I presume you mean the 1982 election when the Liberals or Alliance took all three seats though their share was slightly stronger in Greatfields where they also took all three (or was this a Liberal SDP distinction?) and the Alliance lost one of their Little Ilford seats in an odd double by-election in 1984 when two councillors restood, with Stephen Timms gaining the seat. (Lyn Brown also started on the council in a later 1980s by-election in Little Ilford.) The only ward to since elect Liberals/SDP/Liberal Democrats was the misleadingly named "South" which covered Beckton, North Woolwich and some of the area north of the A13 with Alec Kellaway winning in a 1987 by-election for the SDP and holding his seat as a Lib Dem in 1990 & 1994 before having one of the most infamous non-MP defections a month later. I think the only other ward to elect Liberals/Alliance/Lib Dems at two successive regular elections was Upton (now Green Street West) back in the 1960s. I assume it was the old "South" ward of the old East Ham borough (as the dock area was in Woolwich)? |
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Post by iang on Jul 20, 2024 14:50:06 GMT
Yes, if I remember rightly, there was quite a lot of hostility between the Liberals and the SDP in Newham, and the by-election timrollpickering refers to was the result of some major falling out on the council, although exactly why Councillors resigned and then stood in the resultant by-election, I'm not sure |
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Post by iang on Jul 20, 2024 14:52:56 GMT
And I also seem to recall that after Alc Kellaway's mid by-election defection, various Young Liberals suggested filling in the ballot paper by referring to an activity once believed to cause blindness, as I believe Liberal News rather euphemistically summarised.
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Post by certain on Jul 20, 2024 20:17:34 GMT
Count 2 SNP 731 (+3) Kelly 327 (+5) Con 326 (+4) Lib Dem 286 (+5) out Count 3 SNP 793 (+62) Kelly 397 (+70) Con 369 (+43) out in fact the SNP victory is already certain at this point Count 4 SNP 832 (+39) Kelly 531 (+134) Indeed, elected with an overall majority of 27 at stage 3. But the crap software adds an extra stage. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 21, 2024 10:40:24 GMT
I assume it was the old "South" ward of the old East Ham borough (as the dock area was in Woolwich)? Yes, an example of why more thought should have been given to ward names when the boroughs were merged. There was also a "Beckton" ward, I think around the stub still called Beckton Road in the old West Ham. The 2002 boundaries fixed this. Yes, if I remember rightly, there was quite a lot of hostility between the Liberals and the SDP in Newham, and the by-election timrollpickering refers to was the result of some major falling out on the council, although exactly why Councillors resigned and then stood in the resultant by-election, I'm not sure From recollection of old Usenet posts, Matthew Huntbach was active in the Newham Liberals in the 1980s. He gave the impression that there was something of a gulf between the two parties such that by the time of the merger both anti-merger parties looked tempting, though in the end he opted to put the Newham Liberals into the Liberal Democrats not the Continuity Liberal Party even though at heart he agreed with the Meadowcroftites. He implied that Alec Kellaway's decision to join the Continuing SDP had made it significantly easier for activists in both the Newham SDP and Liberals to merge. And I also seem to recall that after Alc Kellaway's mid by-election defection, various Young Liberals suggested filling in the ballot paper by referring to an activity once believed to cause blindness, as I believe Liberal News rather euphemistically summarised. The Newham party carried on campaigning for the EU Parliament elections and made no effort to even get votes to save the deposit but that detail if true was not reported by the Independent at the time: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/party-removes-all-traces-of-pol-defector-newham-byelection-voters-baffled-by-lastminute-change-of-allegiance-as-local-lib-dems-leave-ballot-papers-blank-1421594.html |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 21, 2024 11:14:40 GMT
Most of what we now know as Beckton was fields (whether of the green or brown variety) until the 1980s, of course. The electorate of the old South ward was just over 7k in 1982 (and if anything in long term decline) but then rose steadily until it reached 12.5k in 1998.
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 21, 2024 11:24:25 GMT
Most of what we now know as Beckton was fields (whether of the green or brown variety) until the 1980s, of course. The electorate of the old South ward was just over 7k in 1982 (and if anything in long term decline) but then rose steadily until it reached 12.5k in 1998. Site of Europe's biggest gas works and named after a director of the Gas Light and Coke company Simon Beck.
The National Union of Gas Workers was founded here by Will Thorne, it eventually became the GMB.
Used for many films including of course "Full Metal Jacket".
And there was a ski slope opened by Princess Diana.
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Post by carolus on Jul 21, 2024 11:45:07 GMT
indeed, Beckton is better known for its Lithuanian community. Which is sufficiently large to sustain its own (miniature) Lithuanian shopping mall. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 22, 2024 15:18:26 GMT
Most of what we now know as Beckton was fields (whether of the green or brown variety) until the 1980s, of course. The electorate of the old South ward was just over 7k in 1982 (and if anything in long term decline) but then rose steadily until it reached 12.5k in 1998. Surely Alps? link |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Jul 22, 2024 15:36:21 GMT
Most of what we now know as Beckton was fields (whether of the green or brown variety) until the 1980s, of course. The electorate of the old South ward was just over 7k in 1982 (and if anything in long term decline) but then rose steadily until it reached 12.5k in 1998. Surely Alps? linkGeologically, extremely recent, of course - they weren't even identified as Alps until th 1980s - and, in geological terms, likely to prove very evanescent. |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 15, 2024 17:53:29 GMT
From Andrew’s Previews:
“Before we start this week, there is a correction to my 18th July piece on the Kintyre and the Islands by-election in Argyll. I wrongly stated that the Conservative candidate Elizabeth Redman was the daughter of the ward’s independent councillor and 2022 by-election winner Alistair Redman. Alistair has kindly got in touch to inform me that Elizabeth is in fact his mother, “although she is very happy that you made that mistake”. Apologies for putting the record straight.”
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