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Post by rcronald on Jul 7, 2024 18:21:55 GMT
but the fascistsssssss. I can’t even begin to describe my disgust with Attal and to a lesser extent with Braun-Pivet. I think you need not worry. The fear that RN would achieve an overall majority has been replaced with a minority left who will be able to do very little It’s not that, the horror articles in the Israeli press (which are admittedly almost certainly overblown) about the French left are simply terrifying. |
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Post by john07 on Jul 7, 2024 18:22:32 GMT
Looks like Ruffin has been beaten by RN |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 7, 2024 18:23:13 GMT
Melenchon won't be PM, NPF parliamentary group will vote amongst their number as to who will be their candidate. Likely to be the Greens leader. The centre left parties won't touch Manu with a barge pole. Problem now is if NPF do enter the prime ministership they will struggle to pass anything Doesn't Manu have enough patronage to win over enough of the moderate left for a wider centrist coalition? If not then surely the gamble has failed, even if it's spiked RN for now. the left have been circling the drain of extinction. That would flush them down it. |
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Post by andrea on Jul 7, 2024 18:23:19 GMT
Looks like Ruffin has been beaten by RN that's a blow to the centre left He may have survived. With 51% |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 7, 2024 18:25:04 GMT
I think you need not worry. The fear that RN would achieve an overall majority has been replaced with a minority left who will be able to do very little It’s not that, the horror articles in the Israeli press (which are admittedly almost certainly overblown) about the French left are simply terrifying. I think we have to see the make up of the left bloc. LFI have a ceiling. One that certainly is to the benefit of PS and the Greens. Less so the communists who looked down and out in the first round |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 7, 2024 18:25:07 GMT
Faure is talking of a "relative majority", which is a stretch.
God knows how a coherent government comes out of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 18:25:07 GMT
Green leader Marine Tondelier has also said "we will govern". Presumably "we" in this context is NPF?
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 7, 2024 18:25:52 GMT
Green leader Marine Tondelier has also said "we will govern". Presumably "we" in this context is NPF? I think she means both herself as well as NPF |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 7, 2024 18:27:41 GMT
that's a blow to the centre left He may have survived. With 51% Darmanin wins as well. |
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Post by andrea on Jul 7, 2024 18:42:43 GMT
Updated estimations by TF1
Nouveau Front populaire - 180 à 205 sièges
- Ensemble (camp présidentiel) - 164 à 174 sièges
- Rassemblement national et alliés - 130 à 145 sièges
- Les Républicains, divers droite - 60 à 63 sièges
- Divers gauche - 10 sièges
- Divers - 5 sièges
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 7, 2024 18:48:48 GMT
France24 are torturing several of the party representatives and cutting them off if they don't respond with anything useful.
The LFI character is trying to insist that JLM should be PM without actually saying it. The presenter has just asked about Glucksmann...she didn't look impressed.
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Post by andrea on Jul 7, 2024 18:52:14 GMT
According to Tf1
- La France insoumise - 85 à 94 sièges
- Parti communiste - 8 à 10 sièges
- Parti socialiste - 55 à 65 sièges
- Les Écologistes - 32 à 36 sièges
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Post by markfoster on Jul 7, 2024 18:53:05 GMT
Faure is talking of a "relative majority", which is a stretch. God knows how a coherent government comes out of this. Indeed, a much better result than most of us on the left dared to hope for, but very hard to see what happens next. |
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Post by rcronald on Jul 7, 2024 18:53:45 GMT
France24 are torturing several of the party representatives and cutting them off if they don't respond with anything useful. The LFI character is trying to insist that JLM should be PM without actually saying it. The presenter has just asked about Glucksmann...she didn't look impressed. No self respecting Frenchman/woman should want the spineless and pathetic Glucksmann as their PM. Ruffin would be a better option even if he’s pretty significantly more left leaning. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 7, 2024 18:54:08 GMT
Looks like Ruffin has been beaten by RN What becomes of the broken hearted? |
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Post by andrea on Jul 7, 2024 19:00:50 GMT
Valérie Rabault (PS) lost to RN.
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 7, 2024 19:06:58 GMT
Faure is talking of a "relative majority", which is a stretch. God knows how a coherent government comes out of this. Indeed, a much better result than most of us on the left dared to hope for, but very hard to see what happens next. My thoughts exactly. Relief at RN being barred from power, but where do we go from here? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 7, 2024 19:11:10 GMT
Indeed, a much better result than most of us on the left dared to hope for, but very hard to see what happens next. My thoughts exactly. Relief at RN being barred from power, but where do we go from here? Whatever it is, it needs to keep the extreme left out as well. JLM as PM would be a nightmare. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 7, 2024 19:14:21 GMT
Delicate negotiations to follow, but the nuclear option which loomed large has been avoided at least.
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Post by andrea on Jul 7, 2024 19:15:01 GMT
95% reported in Somme 1
Ruffin 52,66
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