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Post by listener on Apr 2, 2024 18:48:20 GMT
There were so many elections in 2021 that I failed to collect up the individual PCC results by district at the time.
Although the final total results for the 2021 PCC elections are readily available on council websites, on wikipedia and in the HOC Library results publication, neither wikipedia nor the HOC Library results publication have published the detailed first count results by individual district. These results have all but disappeared from the council websites.
I was hoping to look at the changes in vote share from 2021 to 2024 by individual district. Does anyone have the detailed data from 2021, or can they point to where this data might be publicly available?
As the 2021 PCC elections coincided with the Senedd elections in Wales, the individual results were declared by constituency rather than by district. Are plans in place this year to publish the Welsh results by district?
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Post by carolus on Apr 2, 2024 18:58:46 GMT
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Post by borisminor on Apr 2, 2024 20:18:32 GMT
Is this the type of information that can be FOI requested from councils? There is a lot of data which presumably exists but there is no official record of it. The Commons Library has district results for mayoralities in 2021 but there is nothing for the PCC elections. Even council election results before the Andrew Teale database are very difficult to find as some results such as Metropolitain Counties are not on the elections centre.
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Post by carolus on Apr 2, 2024 20:20:34 GMT
Is this the type of information that can be FOI requested from councils? There is a lot of data which presumably exists but there is no official record of it. The Commons Library has district results for mayoralities in 2021 but there is nothing for the PCC elections. Even council election results before the Andrew Teale database are very difficult to find as some results such as Metropolitain Counties are not on the elections centre. I'd imagine that in most cases (for 2021 PCCs) an email to relevant electoral service departments should be sufficient. I'm sure there'll be a few that can't be bothered, or had the records eaten by a passing dog, but generally they're quite helpful and 2021 isn't that long ago.
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Post by jm on Apr 2, 2024 21:11:52 GMT
I have the figures for Nottinghamshire:
BASSETLAW Party Votes % Change CON 16,401 57.9% +30.3 LAB 10,225 36.1% -11.7 LD 1,680 5.9% (NEW)
ASHFIELD Party Votes % Change CON 16,101 50.1% +31.7 LAB 12,021 37.4% -4.5 LD 4,002 12.5% (NEW)
BROXTOWE Party Votes % Change CON 15,919 45% +7.2 LAB 15,087 42.6% +2.2 LD 4,401 12.4% (NEW)
GEDLING Party Votes % Change CON 14,783 44.7% +14.6 LAB 16,107 48.6% +2.4 LD 2,218 6.7% (NEW)
MANSFIELD Party Votes % Change CON 13,693 55.9% +37.8 LAB 9,273 37.9% -7.6 LD 1,518 6.2% (NEW)
NEWARK AND SHERWOOD Party Votes % Change CON 18,779 56.4% +18.9 LAB 11,503 34.6% -6.3 LD 3,006 9.0% (NEW)
NOTTINGHAM Party Votes % Change CON 16,002 33.1% +15.2 LAB 29,134 60.3% -1.7 LD 3,154 6.5% (NEW)
RUSHCLIFFE Party Votes % Change CON 19640 49.9% +6.1 LAB 15921 40.4% +2.4 LD 3815 9.7% (NEW)
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Post by syorkssocialist on Apr 3, 2024 1:19:27 GMT
South Yorkshire
BARNSLEY LAB 27,890 (54.3%) CON 17,934 (34.9%) LD 5,516 (10.7%)
DONCASTER LAB 32,761 (52.7%) CON 25,104 (40.4%) LD 4,247 (6.8%)
ROTHERHAM LAB 28,185 (49.4%) CON 22,867 (40.1%) LD 5,950 (10.4%)
SHEFFIELD LAB 76,606 (56.2%) CON 32,946 (24.1%) LD 26,749 (19.6%)
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Post by carolus on Apr 3, 2024 9:46:05 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 3, 2024 9:55:47 GMT
Hertsmere | 1st round | | 2nd round | | | | | | | Con | 15911 | 56.8% | 17157 | 65.3% | LD | 4946 | 17.6% | 9120 | 34.7% | Lab | 7168 | 25.6% | | |
Watford | 1st round | | 2nd round | | | | | | | Con | 8261 | 33.1% | 9381 | 41.5% | LD | 8838 | 35.4% | 13232 | 58.5% | Lab | 7847 | 31.5% | | |
Three Rivers | 1st round | | 2nd round | | | | | | | Con | 12995 | 49.7% | 13642 | 54.4% | LD | 8577 | 32.8% | 11439 | 45.6% | Lab | 4576 | 17.5% | | |
Dacorum | 1st round | | 2nd round | | | | | | | Con | 20658 | 45.1% | | NA | LD | 17198 | 37.6% | |
| Lab | 7939 | 17.3% | | |
St Albans | 1st round | | 2nd round | | | | | | | Con | 21044 | 38.4% | | NA | LD | 26537 | 48.5% | |
| Lab | 7170 | 13.1% | | |
Welwyn Hatfield | 1st round | | 2nd round | | | | | | | Con | 14804 | 51.7% | 16331 | 60.5% | LD | 6367 | 22.2% | 10665 | 39.5% | Lab | 7458 | 26.1% | | |
Broxbourne, being the returning officer for the county saw fit only to publilsh (or retain) the results for the whole county and not for their own borough. East Hertfordshire, North Hertfordshire and Stevenage also only linked to the result for the whole county. This geographical pattern may lead some to conclude that the East of the county is full of backward fucking peasants. I couldn't comment on that but it has always been observed that Broxbourne are absolute shite as returning officer and I hope they're not entrusted with the task again this year
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Post by carolus on Apr 3, 2024 10:16:56 GMT
Honourable mentions to
Both of whom have managed to upload all the results, in one link, that's still readily available today.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 3, 2024 11:00:57 GMT
I've added a link to that thread to the full district-by-district results (with some estimates back-calculated from the total result).
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Post by listener on Apr 3, 2024 13:52:46 GMT
Just a quick reply to thank everyone for their interest and their helpful and supportive replies. This is the Vote UK Forum functioning at its best. Carolus has gone to particular trouble to seek out various links.
The patchy results indicate that there is a problem with the publication and retention of these records. Some districts never published their individual results, others have upgraded their websites deleting the links and other districts have been abolished. As part of the process, each district produces a Verification Statement, which includes the electorate, but very few of these have survived on the internet.
I started this thread after encountering a low success rate with Surrey and Thames Valley districts, which has prompted me to e-mail each missing district as I work through the PCCs, requesting copies of their individual results from 2021. I am using the e-mail addresses published on the current PCC Notices of Election. This has elicited 4 positive responses so far, and one shire district which could not find theirs. I will try the 2021 PARO next.
I propose to post the breakdown of the 2021 results on each 2024 thread some time next week, when I have as near a complete record as possible for each PCC, hoping that this will be of interest to everyone, when the 2024 results come in.
I will also be assiduous in chasing down the 2024 Declarations of Result and Verification Statements for each district, immediately after the election.
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Post by listener on Apr 3, 2024 13:58:16 GMT
Some brief individual responses
Carolus - the links you have given for Dorset and Durham are for the whole police areas, including BCP and Darlington. The individual results can, however, be calculated by arithmetic.
Carolus - don't forget The Isles of Scilly is part of Devon and Cornwall - the only time we have a political result from the Isles, now that we no longer have European elections. The Isles of Scilly still have the result up on their website.
J.G. Harston - I collected the full May 2021 North Yorkshire results at the time of the September 2021 by-election, so I will post my data next week.
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Post by carolus on Apr 3, 2024 14:08:53 GMT
Some brief individual responses Carolus - the links you have given for Dorset and Durham are for the whole police areas, including BCP and Darlington. The individual results can, however, be calculated by arithmetic. Carolus - don't forget The Isles of Scilly is part of Devon and Cornwall - the only time we have a political result from the Isles, now that we no longer have European elections. The Isles of Scilly still have the result up on their website. J.G. Harston - I collected the full May 2021 North Yorkshire results at the time of the September 2021 by-election, so I will post my data next week. Agreed re: Dorset, and Scilly. But I think the pdf for Durham includes the results for all three (they seem to have split Durham into two) count areas.
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Post by listener on Apr 4, 2024 11:40:56 GMT
Carolus - noted re Durham. I have now updated my figures.
Another pitfall is emerging, as I have found one or two amalgamation spreadsheets posted by the PARO. Some of the individual results posted by non-PARO districts are a pastiche amalgam of the votes of the two leaders after transfers, together with the votes achieved on the first count by the candidates eliminated.
I will do my best to post helpful figures next week.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 4, 2024 20:10:53 GMT
Some brief individual responses Carolus - the links you have given for Dorset and Durham are for the whole police areas, including BCP and Darlington. The individual results can, however, be calculated by arithmetic. Carolus - don't forget The Isles of Scilly is part of Devon and Cornwall - the only time we have a political result from the Isles, now that we no longer have European elections. The Isles of Scilly still have the result up on their website. J.G. Harston - I collected the full May 2021 North Yorkshire results at the time of the September 2021 by-election, so I will post my data next week. Surely the Scilly Isles vote as part of the St Ives constituency in General Elections?
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Post by batman on Apr 4, 2024 20:29:39 GMT
yes they do but we are not privy to a breakdown of votes specifically from the islands in general elections.
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Post by lackeroftalent on Apr 6, 2024 20:34:22 GMT
Question for Labour Party people (or maybe for Co-operative Party people).
Almost all this years's Labour PCC candidates are standing as Labour and Co-operative candidates. Has this always been the case or a change this time? I have only ever noticed a small number of Lab/Co-op candidates in any previous elections.
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 6, 2024 20:37:03 GMT
Question for Labour Party people (or maybe for Co-operative Party people). Almost all this years's Labour PCC candidates are standing as Labour and Co-operative candidates. Has this always been the case or a change this time? I have only ever noticed a small number of Lab/Co-op candidates in any previous elections. maybe given they're such a large geographical area it's hard to finance and resource a campaign. With Cooperative party support life might be easier?
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Post by edgbaston on Apr 7, 2024 17:39:13 GMT
Question for Labour Party people (or maybe for Co-operative Party people). Almost all this years's Labour PCC candidates are standing as Labour and Co-operative candidates. Has this always been the case or a change this time? I have only ever noticed a small number of Lab/Co-op candidates in any previous elections. The cooperative party is like a cross between singing Jerusalem at conference and being in SME Labour, part historical tradition or quirk, part little club for those with shared interests to network. I’ve noticed more and more young labour members joining, I think mostly as it provides another potential endorsement they can add to their graphics on twitter or instagram campaign accounts.
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Post by matureleft on Apr 8, 2024 8:43:28 GMT
I'd be interested to hear what the Police and Crime Commissioners who are seeking re-election claim as achievements. Should anyone receive a leaflet from them, please share that information.
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