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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 4:17:09 GMT
The Skye's the limit for the Lib Dems here
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Post by matureleft on Jun 7, 2024 5:03:46 GMT
Filmed and posted by the Conservative candidate: Was this the 'right to abuse' that right was referring to? It's rare in my experience, but then most of that experience is from milder and rather more courteous times. The Tory seemed to cope ok but you can see why a lot of normal people shy away from getting involved in politics. |
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Post by right on Jun 7, 2024 7:50:31 GMT
Filmed and posted by the Conservative candidate: Was this the 'right to abuse' that right was referring to? It's rare in my experience, but then most of that experience is from milder and rather more courteous times. The Tory seemed to cope ok but you can see why a lot of normal people shy away from getting involved in politics. So you'd put him in prison to encourage the more delicate flowers on to the green benches? And then what happens with the shouting and screaming that follows in Parliament? You already know, but if you don't then any selection committee in an even slightly competitive seat can tell you that there is hardly a shortage of people wanting to be MPs. The right to abuse is absolutely central to the British system, it is uncomfortable when you're the brunt of it (and most young\middle aged men with blue rosettes have had this multiple times if highly active) but it's not just a way of reminding politicians that they are mortal, but it's a very effective safety valve. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 7, 2024 8:19:10 GMT
Was this the 'right to abuse' that right was referring to? It's rare in my experience, but then most of that experience is from milder and rather more courteous times. The Tory seemed to cope ok but you can see why a lot of normal people shy away from getting involved in politics. So you'd put him in prison to encourage the more delicate flowers on to the green benches? And then what happens with the shouting and screaming that follows in Parliament? You already know, but if you don't then any selection committee in an even slightly competitive seat can tell you that there is hardly a shortage of people wanting to be MPs. The right to abuse is absolutely central to the British system, it is uncomfortable when you're the brunt of it (and most young\middle aged men with blue rosettes have had this multiple times if highly active) but it's not just a way of reminding politicians that they are mortal, but it's a very effective safety valve. He's committed no offence (if he carried out his threat to destroy the poster, maybe). And no, I'm not suggesting a new offence is invented. Incidentally even I, a pretty sturdily set guy, have had something like that from time to time. Having a leaflet torn up in my face while the irate (Tory according to our records) voter shouted at me sticks in my memory mainly because ha had to pick up the bits from his own garden. And being followed down a path by a bloke in union jack underpants shouting similar stuff. Those were both when I was a councillor for the area. As the years went by things changed and I can recall a perfectly civil conversation with one some years later. But I sense this behaviour is more common than it was, encouraged to an extent by the free hits now available on social media. I note that you suggest that people deterred by this might be 'delicate flowers'? Not really - any normal person with a family and a decent non-political career must think carefully about whether this stuff should fit into their lives. It's a further reason why politics is being 'professionalised' with a narrower pool of entrants. |
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Post by batman on Jun 7, 2024 8:20:09 GMT
I've only been told to fuck off once in all my years campaigning for the Labour Party, but we won 2 of the 3 seats in that election with the largest swing to Labour seen anywhere in London.
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Post by right on Jun 7, 2024 8:25:18 GMT
I've only been told to fuck off once in all my years campaigning for the Labour Party, but we won 2 of the 3 seats in that election with the largest swing to Labour seen anywhere in London. That tracks with my experience. From talking to Labour activists I'm fairly sure that it happens a lot less to Labour activists - although Lib Dems do report abuse. It also happens less to elderly activists and women, which is somewhat reassuring. |
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Post by right on Jun 7, 2024 8:29:53 GMT
So you'd put him in prison to encourage the more delicate flowers on to the green benches? And then what happens with the shouting and screaming that follows in Parliament? You already know, but if you don't then any selection committee in an even slightly competitive seat can tell you that there is hardly a shortage of people wanting to be MPs. The right to abuse is absolutely central to the British system, it is uncomfortable when you're the brunt of it (and most young\middle aged men with blue rosettes have had this multiple times if highly active) but it's not just a way of reminding politicians that they are mortal, but it's a very effective safety valve. He's committed no offence (if he carried out his threat to destroy the poster, maybe). And no, I'm not suggesting a new offence is invented. Incidentally even I, a pretty sturdily set guy, have had something like that from time to time. Having a leaflet torn up in my face while the irate (Tory according to our records) voter shouted at me sticks in my memory mainly because ha had to pick up the bits from his own garden. And being followed down a path by a bloke in union jack underpants shouting similar stuff. Those were both when I was a councillor for the area. As the years went by things changed and I can recall a perfectly civil conversation with one some years later. But I sense this behaviour is more common than it was, encouraged to an extent by the free hits now available on social media. I note that you suggest that people deterred by this might be 'delicate flowers'? Not really - any normal person with a family and a decent non-political career must think carefully about whether this stuff should fit into their lives. It's a further reason why politics is being 'professionalised' with a narrower pool of entrants. No, I don't think this particular issue is the reason for that. We still get loads of people interested in being an MP. It's the filtering some time after the initial interest that is professionalising politics. Some of this is reasonable, showing a bit of a track record in grass roots graft and some effective organising tends to avoid tears later on - there have been many problems with parachuted non political MPs like Dan Poulter. But three candidate or one candidate shortlists tend to reward those with access into the central party rather than those who will resonate with the local community - something we may be seeing with Liz Truss although some years later. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 7, 2024 9:01:21 GMT
He's committed no offence (if he carried out his threat to destroy the poster, maybe). And no, I'm not suggesting a new offence is invented. Incidentally even I, a pretty sturdily set guy, have had something like that from time to time. Having a leaflet torn up in my face while the irate (Tory according to our records) voter shouted at me sticks in my memory mainly because ha had to pick up the bits from his own garden. And being followed down a path by a bloke in union jack underpants shouting similar stuff. Those were both when I was a councillor for the area. As the years went by things changed and I can recall a perfectly civil conversation with one some years later. But I sense this behaviour is more common than it was, encouraged to an extent by the free hits now available on social media. I note that you suggest that people deterred by this might be 'delicate flowers'? Not really - any normal person with a family and a decent non-political career must think carefully about whether this stuff should fit into their lives. It's a further reason why politics is being 'professionalised' with a narrower pool of entrants. No, I don't think this particular issue is the reason for that. We still get loads of people interested in being an MP. It's the filtering some time after the initial interest that is professionalising politics. Some of this is reasonable, showing a bit of a track record in grass roots graft and some effective organising tends to avoid tears later on - there have been many problems with parachuted non political MPs like Dan Poulter. But three candidate or one candidate shortlists tend to reward those with access into the central party rather than those who will resonate with the local community - something we may be seeing with Liz Truss although some years later. No, not 'the' reason, but 'a' reason. I'd agree with your other points. There's a crop of Labour candidates this time with very limited political experience who may well find what is almost certain to be a pretty tough parliament (in terms of difficult decisions and limited low-hanging fruit) rather a shock. |
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Post by pl on Jun 7, 2024 9:02:39 GMT
The right to abuse is absolutely central to the British system, it is uncomfortable when you're the brunt of it (and most young\middle aged men with blue rosettes have had this multiple times if highly active) but it's not just a way of reminding politicians that they are mortal, but it's a very effective safety valve. We've all had irate Labour voters set dogs on us haven't we? Or is it just been me who has been pursued down a very long graveled driveway by a Socialist gentleman brandishing a golf club shouting "you killed my wife, you killed my wife, the NHS it's all your fault". Mind you, both those things happened on my first canvassing session in "Millionaires Row" in Cambridge in the late 1990s, and I must have canvassed tens of thousands of houses since. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 7, 2024 9:06:32 GMT
We've all had irate Labour voters set dogs on us haven't we? QTWTAIN |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 7, 2024 9:16:51 GMT
The right to abuse is absolutely central to the British system, it is uncomfortable when you're the brunt of it (and most young\middle aged men with blue rosettes have had this multiple times if highly active) but it's not just a way of reminding politicians that they are mortal, but it's a very effective safety valve. We've all had irate Labour voters set dogs on us haven't we? Or is it just been me who has been pursued down a very long graveled driveway by a Socialist gentleman brandishing a golf club shouting "you killed my wife, you killed my wife, the NHS it's all your fault". Mind you, both those things happened on my first canvassing session in "Millionaires Row" in Cambridge in the late 1990s, and I must have canvassed tens of thousands of houses since. The first time I ever took numbers in an election (Europeans, 1984) a very tall, but elderly gentleman menaced me with his walking stick saying that i was interfering with his right to vote. Held back by his much smaller wife, he was told in no uncertain terms by the presiding officer, that I wasn't doing any such thing and that he should behave himself.
Nothing since that i remember.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2024 9:47:26 GMT
Filmed and posted by the Conservative candidate: Doesn't sound like a Highlander, more a fat chav from the metropolitan lefty intelligentsia. |
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Post by pl on Jun 7, 2024 9:54:53 GMT
We've all had irate Labour voters set dogs on us haven't we? QTWTAIN Next you'll be telling me you've never opened a gate and accidently let a giant rabbit out of a garden, and then had to set off in hot pursuit after the critter? |
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Post by right on Jun 7, 2024 10:19:32 GMT
Filmed and posted by the Conservative candidate: Doesn't sound like a Highlander, more a fat chav from the metropolitan lefty intelligentsia. Yep he sounded very English and Chav like but a member of the lefty intelligentsia would not have come so close to him. He'd have been minced very menacingly from across the street with a put down that sounded less caustic than it did in his mind. |
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Post by Sandy on Jun 7, 2024 10:22:58 GMT
Filmed and posted by the Conservative candidate: Doesn't sound like a Highlander, more a fat chav from the metropolitan lefty intelligentsia. “I’m eating like this because of you f*ing lot” Looks like stopping eating for a while wouldn’t harm him too much to be honest. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 7, 2024 10:28:26 GMT
I've only been told to fuck off once in all my years campaigning for the Labour Party, but we won 2 of the 3 seats in that election with the largest swing to Labour seen anywhere in London. In my canvassing days I certainly got hostility, but never a direct fuck off. Curiously though I have been told to fuck off by a canvasser, after asking what I thought was a perfectly reasonable question....followed by a tirade about "people like you". The canvasser was a Liberal Democrat. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2024 10:31:28 GMT
Doesn't sound like a Highlander, more a fat chav from the metropolitan lefty intelligentsia. “I’m eating like this because of you f*ing lot” Looks like stopping eating for a while wouldn’t harm him too much to be honest. That is so typical of you and your general uncaring toff Tory attitude to everything. That justifiably outraged gentleman is suffering from 'Fat Git Syndrome' brought on by the mental anguish of living on benefits for 20-years which are so low he has to send his Fat Slag Wife and Daughter out to Food Banks to supplement his otherwise poverty diet. Often it is only the foreign premium lager that has kept him alive. I am in tears as I write this. (Emote emote.) |
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Post by cathyc on Jun 7, 2024 10:49:18 GMT
“I’m eating like this because of you f*ing lot” Looks like stopping eating for a while wouldn’t harm him too much to be honest. That is so typical of you and your general uncaring toff Tory attitude to everything. That justifiably outraged gentleman is suffering from 'Fat Git Syndrome' brought on by the mental anguish of living on benefits for 20-years which are so low he has to send his Fat Slag Wife and Daughter out to Food Banks to supplement his otherwise poverty diet. Often it is only the foreign premium lager that has kept him alive. I am in tears as I write this. (Emote emote.) When commenting on the lack of women on this site your argument was that it was nothing to do with any toxic male atmosphere but really that women didn't understand or comment on election matters. You have called one woman 'slap-worthy' or even slap-worty in your haste to be offensive. I looked that up to see if was a herb I'd never heard of and you weren't being a misogynist. It isn't. Now you've said about two women who I presume you have never met or have any knowledge of that they are 'flat slags'. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 7, 2024 10:56:19 GMT
That is so typical of you and your general uncaring toff Tory attitude to everything. That justifiably outraged gentleman is suffering from 'Fat Git Syndrome' brought on by the mental anguish of living on benefits for 20-years which are so low he has to send his Fat Slag Wife and Daughter out to Food Banks to supplement his otherwise poverty diet. Often it is only the foreign premium lager that has kept him alive. I am in tears as I write this. (Emote emote.) When commenting on the lack of women on this site your argument was that it was nothing to do with any toxic male atmosphere but really that women didn't understand or comment on election matters. You have called one woman 'slap-worthy' or even slap-worty in your haste to be offensive. I looked that up to see if was a herb I'd never heard of and you weren't being a misogynist. It isn't. Now you've said about two women who I presume you have never met or have any knowledge of that they are 'flat slags'. I am the very Knave of Tarts and I raise you three copies of Viz. Get over yourself dear. |
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Post by Sandy on Jun 7, 2024 10:56:41 GMT
“I’m eating like this because of you f*ing lot” Looks like stopping eating for a while wouldn’t harm him too much to be honest. That is so typical of you and your general uncaring toff Tory attitude to everything. That justifiably outraged gentleman is suffering from 'Fat Git Syndrome' brought on by the mental anguish of living on benefits for 20-years which are so low he has to send his Fat Slag Wife and Daughter out to Food Banks to supplement his otherwise poverty diet. Often it is only the foreign premium lager that has kept him alive. I am in tears as I write this. (Emote emote.) First time I’ve ever been called a toff  |
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