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Post by batman on May 6, 2024 11:39:10 GMT
I would describe myself as a "nationalist unionist/unionist nationalist", yes. That's one of the reasons why my party name has been "Scottish Conservative" for donkey's years. That's not why I object though. I object because this is a candidate who refuses to say whether she'll be in the constituency to campaign, who has no connection to the constituency and, other than maybe her selection meeting, I'm not sure has ever been to the seat. Indeed, her main connection to Angus seems to be that she lived down in Edinburgh for a couple of years twenty years ago. Well, I'm sorry but that's not good enough. I get that she's doing this for her CV so that she can point to it at other selection meetings and processes elsewhere, I get how this works. But she needs to put in at least a little hard work, and in refusing to talk to the Dundee Courier, the main paper in these parts, to answer these questions she's failed the first test. That is amazingly small-minded and parochial of you, but no surprise at all. Both the majors have done this for 200-years by blooding good young candidates in the middle of 'enemy territory and an unfamiliar area. It gives them experience of an entirely different locale and political circumstance. It gives the lucky constituency a probable rising star of high quality with verve and new ideas, instead of some boring middle-aged, time- serving plonker, to hold the flag. one good example of what you mention was Hugo Swire, very much an Englishman, who stood for the Tories in the Greenock & Inverclyde constituency in the 1997 general election, before enjoying a fairly lengthy tenure in East Devon. He did attend St Andrew's University for a year though. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 6, 2024 11:46:47 GMT
The Scots and Welsh are touchy like that. Many of them carpet constituencies in England and always have done, but if obvious English people go into their petty nations to stand they wail and curse and gnash their little teeth. fair point to some extent but I'm not sure that either Jim Callaghan or Michael Foot attracted much opprobrium when they sought & won Welsh seats. There are always exceptions but the general rule is 'We don't like any english candidates, but we are all available for export into England and if you reject the idea you are bigots'! |
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Post by stb12 on May 6, 2024 11:46:48 GMT
I remember noticing that a few future English MPs have stood for the Conservatives in Northern Ireland (where they are no hopes everywhere)
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 6, 2024 13:01:01 GMT
So you are a Scottish Nationalist then.
If she's a good candidate it doesn't matter where she's from!
My MP is from Leeds originally for fucks sake, and I've accepted that!
I would describe myself as a "nationalist unionist/unionist nationalist", yes. That's one of the reasons why my party name has been "Scottish Conservative" for donkey's years. That's not why I object though. I object because this is a candidate who refuses to say whether she'll be in the constituency to campaign, who has no connection to the constituency and, other than maybe her selection meeting, I'm not sure has ever been to the seat. Indeed, her main connection to Angus seems to be that she lived down in Edinburgh for a couple of years twenty years ago. Well, I'm sorry but that's not good enough. I get that she's doing this for her CV so that she can point to it at other selection meetings and processes elsewhere, I get how this works. But she needs to put in at least a little hard work, and in refusing to talk to the Dundee Courier, the main paper in these parts, to answer these questions she's failed the first test. She failed her first test when she became the Labour candidate not the Conservative one! You wouldn't be blowing a fuse if she were a Tory. I we in Yorkshire can be small minded, but you help prove to me that many, not all, Scots are seemingly even smaller minded on many things. It takes many types I guess to make the country fail. |
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Post by john07 on May 6, 2024 17:35:32 GMT
The Scots and Welsh are touchy like that. Many of them carpet constituencies in England and always have done, but if obvious English people go into their petty nations to stand they wail and curse and gnash their little teeth. fair point to some extent but I'm not sure that either Jim Callaghan or Michael Foot attracted much opprobrium when they sought & won Welsh seats. Not to mention the Manchester-born David Lloyd George! |
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Post by Sandy on May 6, 2024 18:42:26 GMT
Back in 1997 the Labour candidate in West Aberdeenshire etc was an (Asian) councillor in E London, no significant Scottish links AFAIK. This sort of thing is pretty common in seats the respective party knows they aren't going to win even in a landslide, Tories very much included here. (and for a Tory example in a Scottish seat for 1997, look no further than JRM!) Didn’t he take his nanny campaigning with him? 😂 |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 6, 2024 18:46:52 GMT
Back in 1997 the Labour candidate in West Aberdeenshire etc was an (Asian) councillor in E London, no significant Scottish links AFAIK. This sort of thing is pretty common in seats the respective party knows they aren't going to win even in a landslide, Tories very much included here. (and for a Tory example in a Scottish seat for 1997, look no further than JRM!) Didn’t he take his nanny campaigning with him? 😂 Yes, in Central Fife too. It must've been quite the sight to the people of Glenrothes. |
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Post by john07 on May 6, 2024 18:54:05 GMT
I forgot about the Yorkshire-born Scottish Labour Party leader Richard Leonard.
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Post by xenon on May 6, 2024 22:03:00 GMT
I forgot about the Yorkshire-born Scottish Labour Party leader Richard Leonard. What about the Yorkshire born current depute First Minister? |
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 19, 2024 22:31:56 GMT
So you are a Scottish Nationalist then.
If she's a good candidate it doesn't matter where she's from!
My MP is from Leeds originally for fucks sake, and I've accepted that!
I would describe myself as a "nationalist unionist/unionist nationalist", yes. That's one of the reasons why my party name has been "Scottish Conservative" for donkey's years. That's not why I object though. I object because this is a candidate who refuses to say whether she'll be in the constituency to campaign, who has no connection to the constituency and, other than maybe her selection meeting, I'm not sure has ever been to the seat. Indeed, her main connection to Angus seems to be that she lived down in Edinburgh for a couple of years twenty years ago. Well, I'm sorry but that's not good enough. I get that she's doing this for her CV so that she can point to it at other selection meetings and processes elsewhere, I get how this works. But she needs to put in at least a little hard work, and in refusing to talk to the Dundee Courier, the main paper in these parts, to answer these questions she's failed the first test. For Heaven's sake, Roy Jenkins, a Welshman formerly in an English constituency, managed to be elected in Glasgow Hillhead. Keir Hardie, that Scottish firebrand, was MP for West Ham South and Merthyr Tydfil, with no local conections. The remarkable Dame Judith Hart, a Lancashire lass, was MP for Lanark, then Clydesdale, for 28 years. Glasgow's Pat McFadden, the Labour Campaign manager, has been MP for Wolverhampton South East for 19 years, and John Swinney speaks of him as someone he studied with in University of Edinburgh and could work with. Aberdonian Annalise Dodds, MP for Oxford East and Labour Party Chair. Coleraine man Tommy Sheppard, SNP MP for Edinburgh East since 2015. Dr Liam Fox of East Kilbride, MP for Woodspring and, now, North Somerset, had no prior connection. Then, the classic example of Dundonian George Galloway, MP for Glasgow Hillhead/Kelvin, then Bethnal Green & Bow, then Bradford West, now Rochdale, though he had no previous conmection to the latter three. So many more people from across the UK representing constituencies across the UK. They are not running for the local council. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 19, 2024 22:34:43 GMT
I forgot about the Yorkshire-born Scottish Labour Party leader Richard Leonard. What about the Yorkshire born current depute First Minister? Wasn't Kate Forbes born in Dingwall? |
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Post by YL on May 20, 2024 5:50:31 GMT
What about the Yorkshire born current depute First Minister? Wasn't Kate Forbes born in Dingwall? Yes, but she wasn’t Depute First Minister when that post was written. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 20, 2024 9:37:22 GMT
Wasn't Kate Forbes born in Dingwall? Yes, but she wasn’t Depute First Minister when that post was written. Oops, all these changes are so recent the date threw me. |
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Post by john07 on May 20, 2024 9:58:08 GMT
I remember noticing that a few future English MPs have stood for the Conservatives in Northern Ireland (where they are no hopes everywhere) Enoch Powell didn’t have any problems. |
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Post by batman on May 20, 2024 11:41:49 GMT
well until he lost his seat that is.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2024 12:36:03 GMT
I remember noticing that a few future English MPs have stood for the Conservatives in Northern Ireland (where they are no hopes everywhere) Enoch Powell didn’t have any problems. He was an Ulster Unionist MP in Northern Ireland. |
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Post by msc on May 20, 2024 12:40:26 GMT
I would describe myself as a "nationalist unionist/unionist nationalist", yes. That's one of the reasons why my party name has been "Scottish Conservative" for donkey's years. That's not why I object though. I object because this is a candidate who refuses to say whether she'll be in the constituency to campaign, who has no connection to the constituency and, other than maybe her selection meeting, I'm not sure has ever been to the seat. Indeed, her main connection to Angus seems to be that she lived down in Edinburgh for a couple of years twenty years ago. Well, I'm sorry but that's not good enough. I get that she's doing this for her CV so that she can point to it at other selection meetings and processes elsewhere, I get how this works. But she needs to put in at least a little hard work, and in refusing to talk to the Dundee Courier, the main paper in these parts, to answer these questions she's failed the first test. For Heaven's sake, Roy Jenkins, a Welshman formerly in an English constituency, managed to be elected in Glasgow Hillhead. Keir Hardie, that Scottish firebrand, was MP for West Ham South and Merthyr Tydfil, with no local conections. The remarkable Dame Judith Hart, a Lancashire lass, was MP for Lanark, then Clydesdale, for 28 years. Glasgow's Pat McFadden, the Labour Campaign manager, has been MP for Wolverhampton South East for 19 years, and John Swinney speaks of him as someone he studied with in University of Edinburgh and could work with. Aberdonian Annalise Dodds, MP for Oxford East and Labour Party Chair. Coleraine man Tommy Sheppard, SNP MP for Edinburgh East since 2015. Dr Liam Fox of East Kilbride, MP for Woodspring and, now, North Somerset, had no prior connection. Then, the classic example of Dundonian George Galloway, MP for Glasgow Hillhead/Kelvin, then Bethnal Green & Bow, then Bradford West, now Rochdale, though he had no previous conmection to the latter three. So many more people from across the UK representing constituencies across the UK. They are not running for the local council. My Aunt and Uncle worked for Roy Jenkins Hillhead team and have long had stories of George Galloway. They both liked Jenkins a lot. One of my great-grandfathers was an errands boy for Keir Hardie, though both were long dead by the time I showed up on the scene. This ends the family connections in that post, although I could add in that Jimmy Maxton got my uncle out of jail, and Charlie Kennedy once asked my mum out on a date, but they were both local to their seats. Anyhow, I agree in principle, its the quality of the job and person rather than the geography of their birth which matters. |
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Post by maxque on May 20, 2024 14:21:58 GMT
I would describe myself as a "nationalist unionist/unionist nationalist", yes. That's one of the reasons why my party name has been "Scottish Conservative" for donkey's years. That's not why I object though. I object because this is a candidate who refuses to say whether she'll be in the constituency to campaign, who has no connection to the constituency and, other than maybe her selection meeting, I'm not sure has ever been to the seat. Indeed, her main connection to Angus seems to be that she lived down in Edinburgh for a couple of years twenty years ago. Well, I'm sorry but that's not good enough. I get that she's doing this for her CV so that she can point to it at other selection meetings and processes elsewhere, I get how this works. But she needs to put in at least a little hard work, and in refusing to talk to the Dundee Courier, the main paper in these parts, to answer these questions she's failed the first test. For Heaven's sake, Roy Jenkins, a Welshman formerly in an English constituency, managed to be elected in Glasgow Hillhead. Keir Hardie, that Scottish firebrand, was MP for West Ham South and Merthyr Tydfil, with no local conections. The remarkable Dame Judith Hart, a Lancashire lass, was MP for Lanark, then Clydesdale, for 28 years. Glasgow's Pat McFadden, the Labour Campaign manager, has been MP for Wolverhampton South East for 19 years, and John Swinney speaks of him as someone he studied with in University of Edinburgh and could work with. Aberdonian Annalise Dodds, MP for Oxford East and Labour Party Chair. Coleraine man Tommy Sheppard, SNP MP for Edinburgh East since 2015. Dr Liam Fox of East Kilbride, MP for Woodspring and, now, North Somerset, had no prior connection. Then, the classic example of Dundonian George Galloway, MP for Glasgow Hillhead/Kelvin, then Bethnal Green & Bow, then Bradford West, now Rochdale, though he had no previous conmection to the latter three. So many more people from across the UK representing constituencies across the UK. They are not running for the local council. I think the problem is is that it is unlikely that this woman will ever come to Scotland during the campaign, but will rather focus on Canterbury and other target seats in the SE. |
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Post by batman on May 20, 2024 15:00:09 GMT
Canterbury is unlikely to be fought as a target seat unless Rosie Duffield falls out with the Labour Party between now & the election. I think you're exaggerating anyway. I'm sure she will make at least some appearances in the constituency, and it is more likely that she will travel to Scottish target seats than the ones nearer to where she currently lives, at least for the most part. There are generally events in constituencies during a general election, e.g. hustings, other stuff, to which all candidates are invited, and I very much doubt she will boycott the lot of them.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 20, 2024 15:07:08 GMT
Aren't candidate contracts the norm now? If so, she'll either be working in the seat (or other Scottish targets) or she won't be the candidate anymore. Judging by her LinkedIn, she doesn't have a job that confines her to one geographical area, so it doesn't seem like it would be prohibitively difficult to spend the short campaign in Scotland. And if she doesn't intend to do that, then I'm not sure why the Scottish Labour Party would have accepted her as a candidate - if we just wanted a name on the ballot paper, there are plenty of party staffers who could have done the role so she must have given them some reason to select her.
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