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Post by adlai52 on Jun 7, 2024 13:41:36 GMT
Sunak I speculate may resign today. It kinda will make sense of what's happened in the last fortnight. Boris to be given a seat? he has four hours. Apologies if anyone is angered by my speculation. PM 4 PM by 4 pm? Would make the debate tonight an event! |
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Post by YL on Jun 7, 2024 13:58:55 GMT
Now I think you need to change your choice of group from the options available. (Click on "Profile", go to the "Settings" tab and go down to "Display Group".) |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 7, 2024 16:51:49 GMT
Hold onto your hats... Jason Barnett (Ind) Count Binface (Binface) Daniel Callaghan (LibDem) Angie Campion (Ind) Louise Dickens (Workers) Kevin Foster (Green) Rio Goldhammer (Yorkshire) Niko Omilana [] Brian Richmond (Ind) Sir Archibald Stanton (Monster) Rishi Sunak (Con) Lee Taylor (Reform UK) Tom Wilson (Lab)
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Post by birkinabe on Jun 7, 2024 16:54:06 GMT
How many seats is that now that Omilana's running in?
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 7, 2024 17:06:44 GMT
How many seats is that now that Omilana's running in? Well he's running in Coventry South, but the SOPN says he lives there, so fair enough. |
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Post by YL on Jun 7, 2024 17:09:41 GMT
How many seats is that now that Omilana's running in? Well he's running in Coventry South, but the SOPN says he lives there, so fair enough. Except that according to the Leeds East SOPN he also lives there, and according to the one for this constituency he lives in Southgate & Wood Green. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 7, 2024 17:12:25 GMT
Well he's running in Coventry South, but the SOPN says he lives there, so fair enough. Except that according to the Leeds East SOPN he also lives there, and according to the one for this constituency he lives in Southgate & Wood Green. Will he get into trouble about this? |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 7, 2024 17:30:41 GMT
Well he's running in Coventry South, but the SOPN says he lives there, so fair enough. Except that according to the Leeds East SOPN he also lives there, and according to the one for this constituency he lives in Southgate & Wood Green. On the forms I filled in there's a box that says: Confirm that you are not standing in any other seat in this election.
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Post by devolutionist on Jun 7, 2024 18:33:45 GMT
Thanks for this, but how do I change "Lib Dem" to "Yorkshire Party" and get rid of the orange username? Sorry if it transpires to be really simple, I've had a look and just can't find the option anywhere. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 7, 2024 18:53:22 GMT
Except that according to the Leeds East SOPN he also lives there, and according to the one for this constituency he lives in Southgate & Wood Green. Will he get into trouble about this? Since the Cormack amendment and the change in the law in 2011, it has not been possible for a candidate to stand in more than one constituency at the same time. If he has been nominated to do so, and if he is the same person, then he is automatically disqualified from all the constituencies in which he is nominated. When the law change was made, it did occur to me that the law is only enforceable if the Returning Officers in different parts of the country are aware of each others’ SOPNs and if they cross-check them all. As far as I know, there is no in-built legal or administrative mechanism whereby they do so. So if the same person has been nominated in more than one place, and if he has declared in each nomination paper that he is not standing anywhere else, then the R.O. has to take the information as it appears on the face of the paper, i.e. they have to assume it’s a different person in each case. Otherwise, the enforceability of the law would depend on the subjective question of whether other people have noticed and reported the multiple nominations. Maybe Davıd Boothroyd will know more technical information than I do about how the law is supposed to work / be enforced in cases like this. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 7, 2024 19:13:04 GMT
I hadn't realised Partick Cormack has done more that change what happens if a candidtae dies.
If this is true, he will surely have been nominated invalidly / had an invalid nomination accepted. If this is case can he be struck of the ballot given the ROs shouldn't have accepted it (although there's no way they could have known).
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Post by YL on Jun 7, 2024 19:16:59 GMT
I hadn't realised Partick Cormack has done more that change what happens if a candidtae dies. If this is true, he will surely have been nominated invalidly / had an invalid nomination accepted. If this is case can he be struck of the ballot given the ROs shouldn't have accepted it (although there's no way they could have known). Two of the constituencies involved are in Leeds so the Leeds RO will have had some idea what was going on. As Kristofer Keane points out in another thread, it is possible that he has got different people to stand under his name, which would explain the fact that the address on the SOPN refers to a different constituency on each one. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 7, 2024 20:21:26 GMT
Will he get into trouble about this? Since the Cormack amendment and the change in the law in 2011, it has not been possible for a candidate to stand in more than one constituency at the same time. If he has been nominated to do so, and if he is the same person, then he is automatically disqualified from all the constituencies in which he is nominated. When the law change was made, it did occur to me that the law is only enforceable if the Returning Officers in different parts of the country are aware of each others’ SOPNs and if they cross-check them all. As far as I know, there is no in-built legal or administrative mechanism whereby they do so. So if the same person has been nominated in more than one place, and if he has declared in each nomination paper that he is not standing anywhere else, then the R.O. has to take the information as it appears on the face of the paper, i.e. they have to assume it’s a different person in each case. Otherwise, the enforceability of the law would depend on the subjective question of whether other people have noticed and reported the multiple nominations. Maybe Davıd Boothroyd will know more technical information than I do about how the law is supposed to work / be enforced in cases like this. Good points Unintended consequence, or not thoroughly thought through, whichever it is needs to be tightened up. An outside agent might try to exploit the loophole in the future. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Jun 7, 2024 21:29:05 GMT
Glad to see Count Binface throwing his lid into the ring.
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Post by devolutionist on Jun 7, 2024 21:56:52 GMT
Now I think you need to change your choice of group from the options available. (Click on "Profile", go to the "Settings" tab and go down to "Display Group".) Ah spot on, cheers YL. Hope that keeps Mr. Goodair happy. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 7, 2024 21:58:33 GMT
I hadn't realised Partick Cormack has done more that change what happens if a candidtae dies. I think my memory was getting slightly mixed up between two bits of election law which were tightened up in the same Act (and it wasn’t 2011, but anyway): the timetable and circumstances for deferred elections after the death of a candidate, and preventing a candidate from standing in more than one constituency. |
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Post by devolutionist on Jun 7, 2024 23:46:20 GMT
Glad to see Count Binface throwing his lid into the ring. I do have to wonder whether Farage intended to stand all along but wanted to throw the likes of Count Binface, the Loony's and Al Murray off the scent. And it has largely worked. |
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Post by riccimarsh on Jun 8, 2024 0:35:52 GMT
Glad to see Count Binface throwing his lid into the ring. I do have to wonder whether Farage intended to stand all along but wanted to throw the likes of Count Binface, the Loony's and Al Murray off the scent. And it has largely worked. I dunno, I doubt it tbh. Binface and the other Loonies are all fringe characters. Farage should be a level above them. I also doubt that Count Binface would want to spend every Friday for the next five years in Clacton. North Yorkshire on the other hand is a lovely part of the country. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 8, 2024 6:09:21 GMT
Glad to see Count Binface throwing his lid into the ring. I do have to wonder whether Farage intended to stand all along but wanted to throw the likes of Count Binface, the Loony's and Al Murray off the scent. And it has largely worked. It's a good point. And the Conservatives for that matter - too late for them to mobilise in the way they did in Thanet South |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 8, 2024 6:55:38 GMT
I do have to wonder whether Farage intended to stand all along but wanted to throw the likes of Count Binface, the Loony's and Al Murray off the scent. And it has largely worked. I dunno, I doubt it tbh. Binface and the other Loonies are all fringe characters. Farage should be a level above them. I also doubt that Count Binface would want to spend every Friday for the next five years in Clacton. North Yorkshire on the other hand is a lovely part of the country. Honestly think it's kinda intellectually lazy for Binface to stand here. Starmer is de facto pm in waiting, he should have stood against him. |
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