Birmingham Ladywood

[Merseymike]

Jul 3, 2024 15:14:47 GMT carlton43 said:

All of you who were gung ho on immigration and welcomed multi-culturism can enjoy reaping this ongoing whirlwind of hate as the large body of 5th columnists shaft the real British out of their own nation.

I disagree. Alum Rock is an area which is Muslim. So, the issue is not immigration, multi-culturalism, or so-called 'British' - its simply disagreement with two candidates. It is a part of their nation. This is simply a fact.

[greenchristian]

Jul 3, 2024 15:32:07 GMT Merseymike said:

Jul 3, 2024 15:14:47 GMT carlton43 said:

All of you who were gung ho on immigration and welcomed multi-culturism can enjoy reaping this ongoing whirlwind of hate as the large body of 5th columnists shaft the real British out of their own nation.

I disagree. Alum Rock is an area which is Muslim. So, the issue is not immigration, multi-culturalism, or so-called 'British' - its simply disagreement with two candidates. It is a part of their nation. This is simply a fact.

That doesn't really disprove Carlton's claim. The area only became Muslim-majority because of immigration. Where he's wrong is attributing the way some parts of the Muslim community have failed to adopt certain British values to multi-culturalism, when the reality is that what's happened is closer to ghettoisation (different communities sticking to their own kind/area) than it is to multi-culturalism.(different communities interacting with each other, and creating a new shared culture without each community losing their identity).

[carlton43]

Jul 3, 2024 15:32:07 GMT Merseymike said:

Jul 3, 2024 15:14:47 GMT carlton43 said:

All of you who were gung ho on immigration and welcomed multi-culturism can enjoy reaping this ongoing whirlwind of hate as the large body of 5th columnists shaft the real British out of their own nation.

I disagree. Alum Rock is an area which is Muslim. So, the issue is not immigration, multi-culturalism, or so-called 'British' - its simply disagreement with two candidates. It is a part of their nation. This is simply a fact.

Then we cordially disagree.

[No Offence Alan]

Jul 3, 2024 15:14:47 GMT carlton43 said:

Jul 3, 2024 12:29:34 GMT right said:

All of you who were gung ho on immigration and welcomed multi-culturism can enjoy reaping this ongoing whirlwind of hate as the large body of 5th columnists shaft the real British out of their own nation.

It was you who got rid of the Polish plumbers and the Spanish waiters, who didn't behave like this.

[carlton43]

Jul 3, 2024 15:46:18 GMT No Offence Alan said:

Jul 3, 2024 15:14:47 GMT carlton43 said:

All of you who were gung ho on immigration and welcomed multi-culturism can enjoy reaping this ongoing whirlwind of hate as the large body of 5th columnists shaft the real British out of their own nation.

It was you who got rid of the Polish plumbers and the Spanish waiters, who didn't behave like this.

Do you know I just cannot remember my personal involvement in doing that; not that I am against getting rid of them as well, but they pale into insignificance compared to my desire to exit 2-3M Islamists.

[Pete Whitehead]

Alum Rock was well known as an area of Polish and Spanish settlement prior to 2016

[Merseymike]

Jul 3, 2024 15:57:46 GMT carlton43 said:

Jul 3, 2024 15:46:18 GMT No Offence Alan said:

It was you who got rid of the Polish plumbers and the Spanish waiters, who didn't behave like this.

Do you know I just cannot remember my personal involvement in doing that; not that I am against getting rid of them as well, but they pale into insignificance compared to my desire to exit 2-3M Islamists.

There are about 4 million Muslims - perhaps 4.1 million.

How can those people 'exit'? They live here.

Who are 3 million 'Islamists'?

[doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️]

Akhmed is a disciple of Andrew Tate. I dare say his opinions on many things would align to many a white man regardless of faith or immigration status.

[carlton43]

Jul 3, 2024 16:40:59 GMT Merseymike said:

Jul 3, 2024 15:57:46 GMT carlton43 said:

Do you know I just cannot remember my personal involvement in doing that; not that I am against getting rid of them as well, but they pale into insignificance compared to my desire to exit 2-3M Islamists.

There are about 4 million Muslims - perhaps 4.1 million.

How can those people 'exit'? They live here.

Who are 3 million 'Islamists'?

I am being facetious of course Mike and dreaming of another earlier time.  I know that it is impossible and cannot happen.

[Chris from Brum]

Jul 3, 2024 17:06:15 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Akhmed is a disciple of Andrew Tate. I dare say his opinions on many things would align to many a white man regardless of faith or immigration status.

As stated elsewhere, Tate is in fact an African-American muslim. So young muslim men admiring his attitudes should be no surprise. Ordinary white blokes? Not so much, I think.

[iainbhx]

Jul 3, 2024 19:57:25 GMT Chris from Brum said:

Jul 3, 2024 17:06:15 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Akhmed is a disciple of Andrew Tate. I dare say his opinions on many things would align to many a white man regardless of faith or immigration status.

As stated elsewhere, Tate is in fact an African-American muslim. So young muslim men admiring his attitudes should be no surprise. Ordinary white blokes? Not so much, I think.

Whose mother is British, who was brought up in Luton and is a relatively recent convert.

[Chris from Brum]

Jul 3, 2024 20:37:12 GMT iainbhx said:

Jul 3, 2024 19:57:25 GMT Chris from Brum said:

As stated elsewhere, Tate is in fact an African-American muslim. So young muslim men admiring his attitudes should be no surprise. Ordinary white blokes? Not so much, I think.

Whose mother is British, who was brought up in Luton and is a relatively recent convert.

It's complicated, isn't it? Was he attracted to islam because its attitudes aligned with his own, maybe?

[iainbhx]

Jul 3, 2024 20:39:00 GMT Chris from Brum said:

Jul 3, 2024 20:37:12 GMT iainbhx said:

Whose mother is British, who was brought up in Luton and is a relatively recent convert.

It's complicated, isn't it? Was he attracted to islam because its attitudes aligned with his own, maybe?

I suspect it was the idea of being able to use Bling City as a safe-haven, but he couldn't get his operations out of Romania in time.

[Merseymike]

Jul 3, 2024 20:39:00 GMT Chris from Brum said:

Jul 3, 2024 20:37:12 GMT iainbhx said:

Whose mother is British, who was brought up in Luton and is a relatively recent convert.

It's complicated, isn't it? Was he attracted to islam because its attitudes aligned with his own, maybe?

www.thenewsmovement.com/articles/andrew-tate-faked-his-conversion-to-islam-for-business-reasons-whistleblower-says

www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2022/11/22/andrew-tate-red-pill-muslim

[towerhamlets]

Jul 3, 2024 20:46:42 GMT Merseymike said:

Jul 3, 2024 20:39:00 GMT Chris from Brum said:

It's complicated, isn't it? Was he attracted to islam because its attitudes aligned with his own, maybe?

www.thenewsmovement.com/articles/andrew-tate-faked-his-conversion-to-islam-for-business-reasons-whistleblower-says

www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2022/11/22/andrew-tate-red-pill-muslim

That would explain why I have never heard about this thing that multiple people in this thread are confidently reporting as fact. Thanks for bringing facts into it.

In any case, it's funny to see the whining in this thread from the same sort of people who have been for so long declaring their moral superiority over the Remoaners. Regardless of what the Home Secretary tries to tell you, Brexit wasn't about keeping the wogs out and that can't be done. This is your country.

[Chris from Brum]

"Wogs". That's a word I haven't heard in real life for donkey's years, and not at all since I last watched Fawlty Towers where the Major uses it to distinguish Asians from Black people ("Coons")!

[nodealbrexiteer]

Jul 3, 2024 21:34:11 GMT Chris from Brum said:

"Wogs". That's a word I haven't heard in real life for donkey's years, and not at all since I last watched Fawlty Towers where the Major uses it to distinguish Asians from Black people ("Coons")!

i thought he used the n word?

[iainbhx]

Jul 3, 2024 21:34:11 GMT Chris from Brum said:

"Wogs". That's a word I haven't heard in real life for donkey's years, and not at all since I last watched Fawlty Towers where the Major uses it to distinguish Asians from Black people ("Coons")!

Senior LibDem admits never having been to Australia (where it's Greeks).

[finsobruce]

Jul 3, 2024 21:36:14 GMT nodealbrexiteer said:

Jul 3, 2024 21:34:11 GMT Chris from Brum said:

"Wogs". That's a word I haven't heard in real life for donkey's years, and not at all since I last watched Fawlty Towers where the Major uses it to distinguish Asians from Black people ("Coons")!

i thought he used the n word?

Both.

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2013/jan/23/fawlty-towers-isnt-racist-major-gowen-is

[doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️]

From The Guardian

Nigel Farage has said he is part of a “similar phenomenon” to the misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, as he claimed that there were forces in society trying to “stop young men from being young men”.
The Reform UK leader used the last day of campaigning before the general election to appear alongside Derek Chisora, the controversial boxer and Reform UK supporter, in a boxing gym in Clacton, where Farage is making his eighth bid to be elected as an MP.

Farage used the visit to speak about what he described as the feelings of “emasculation” among young men, saying: “Look at the football. You know, they’re told: Go to Germany. Please don’t drink more than two pints of beer. You what? Don’t chant at the football matches. You what? Oh, and don’t tell jokes that might offend the Germans. I mean, come on. We are trying to stop young men being young men.
“That’s why Tate got the following he got. So maybe I’m part of a similar phenomenon,” he said. Since December 2022, Tate has been facing charges in Romania of human trafficking, rape and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women, which he denies.
Farage led a rally in the centre of Clacton in chants of “we want our country back” as he once again sought to make immigration the centrepiece of his campaign after arriving at the rally on a military-style vehicle to the sound of Eminem’s Without Me.
“How are you getting on for dentists in Clacton?” he asked. “Well, then you should have come by dinghy.”
The Reform UK leader’s comments come against the backdrop of concerns about the rise of role models and influencers associated with a model of toxic masculinity.
A poll of 200 people by JLP found earlier this week that Reform UK was the top choice of political party among 23% of those aged 16 to 17. However, among young men it was on level pegging with Labour, on 35%.

Farage’s appearance came a day after a second Reform candidate defected to the Conservatives. Georgie David, who had been Reform’s candidate for West Ham and Beckton, said the vast majority of people standing for the hard-right party were “racist, misogynistic and bigoted”.
Liam Booth-Isherwood, who had been the candidate for the Erewash constituency in Derbyshire, also cited “reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform” as his reason for defecting to the Tories last week.
Farage defended his appearance alongside Chisora, who was given a 12-week suspended prison sentence in 2010 after being found guilty of assaulting his then girlfriend.
Asked if Chisora was a good role model, he replied: “You show me someone who has lived a perfect life and never been in trouble. For these young kids he’s a fantastic role model. He’s got a huge following in the country. And yeah, he is a good role model. Imperfect as we all are.”