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Post by right on Jun 19, 2024 7:52:16 GMT
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Post by batman on Jun 19, 2024 8:10:43 GMT
There was a sponsored ad on my Facebook for the Tory candidate. I commented that it is likely to be one of the lowest Tory shares in the country.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 9:18:57 GMT
"Joint letter from your neighbours". Very strange. |
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Post by iainbhx on Jun 19, 2024 9:34:02 GMT
"Joint letter from your neighbours". Very strange. I’ve seen those used by Labour before, they dropped them I think they had a lot of complaints that they were creepy. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 9:41:27 GMT
"Joint letter from your neighbours". Very strange. I’ve seen those used by Labour before, they dropped them I think they had a lot of complaints that they were creepy. Definitely. Very weird approach and tone. |
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Post by right on Jun 19, 2024 10:13:49 GMT
I’ve seen those used by Labour before, they dropped them I think they had a lot of complaints that they were creepy. Definitely. Very weird approach and tone. Is Gaza getting the sort of cut through among non Muslims that would merit this sort of approach? I can understand it over a local hospital or a planning application, but Gaza doesn't seem to be the issue. Perhaps I'm in denial about Gaza, but it's not an issue I hear coming up - certainly not for the sort of localist approach that these letters from your neighbours imply. |
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Post by right on Jun 19, 2024 10:15:51 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 19, 2024 10:18:32 GMT
I had a Green handwritten letter in May - he won....
Impressed by Carla Denyer.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 19, 2024 10:26:07 GMT
Definitely. Very weird approach and tone. Is Gaza getting the sort of cut through among non Muslims that would merit this sort of approach? I can understand it over a local hospital or a planning application, but Gaza doesn't seem to be the issue. Perhaps I'm in denial about Gaza, but it's not an issue I hear coming up - certainly not for the sort of localist approach that these letters from your neighbours imply. It's not the content that is odd, but this "everybody else is doing it, why aren't you?" tone to it. iainbhx is right, it's a bit creepy. |
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Post by right on Jun 19, 2024 10:30:43 GMT
Is Gaza getting the sort of cut through among non Muslims that would merit this sort of approach? I can understand it over a local hospital or a planning application, but Gaza doesn't seem to be the issue. Perhaps I'm in denial about Gaza, but it's not an issue I hear coming up - certainly not for the sort of localist approach that these letters from your neighbours imply. It's not the content that is odd, but this "everybody else is doing it, why aren't you?" tone to it. iainbhx is right, it's a bit creepy. But I can see that "everyone else is doing this" approach working with a big planning application or rationalising health services, just Gaza seems an odd one |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 19, 2024 13:49:34 GMT
Apart from Muslims most people don't really care about Israel/Palestine, no.
But a demographic that very much *does* is the "BoHo" one which is of course massively well represented here. In fact many of the most fanatical obsessives of all on this topic - and also the likeliest to stray off into various at least AS-adjacent conspiracy theories - are to be found in this group.
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Post by kevinf on Jun 19, 2024 15:01:24 GMT
Apart from Muslims most people don't really care about Israel/Palestine, no. But a demographic that very much *does* is the "BoHo" one which is of course massively well represented here. In fact many of the most fanatical obsessives of all on this topic - and also the likeliest to stray off into various at least AS-adjacent conspiracy theories - are to be found in this group. I’m not sure, Bish, I think most people do care, as they do about any humanitarian crisis, just not enough to change their vote. |
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Post by birkinabe on Jun 19, 2024 17:44:52 GMT
To be fair, there are probably enough voters here (and not just from demographics that have been previously mentioned here) for which Gaza is a significant enough issue whom are also undecided between the Greens and Labour for it to be a major focus of the former's campaign.
The tone of the campaign materials in question, however, is offputting, somewhat revealing IMO, and might end up having the effect of them being wastes of paper.
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Post by right on Jun 19, 2024 17:54:43 GMT
To be fair, there are probably enough voters here (and not just from demographics that have been previously mentioned here) for which Gaza is a significant enough issue whom are also undecided between the Greens and Labour for it to be a major focus of the former's campaign. The tone of the campaign materials in question, however, is offputting, somewhat revealing IMO, and might end up having the effect of them being wastes of paper. An interesting point. If you're in a Labour-Tory battleground you're not talking to lots of Labour-Green switchers. There aren't that many and you're not trying to alert them to your presence. |
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Post by owainsutton on Jun 19, 2024 18:06:46 GMT
To be fair, there are probably enough voters here (and not just from demographics that have been previously mentioned here) for which Gaza is a significant enough issue whom are also undecided between the Greens and Labour for it to be a major focus of the former's campaign. The tone of the campaign materials in question, however, is offputting, somewhat revealing IMO, and might end up having the effect of them being wastes of paper. An interesting point. If you're in a Labour-Tory battleground you're not talking to lots of Labour-Green switchers. There aren't that many and you're not trying to alert them to your presence. Also, the outside focus is going to be on the outlier leaflets. Some of which might be targeted deliveries. Not the more 'mainstream' ones, of which there will have been no shortage. (As for Lab/Green switchers, I got one from Labour targeted at LD/G voters here in Altrincham & Sale West just today.) |
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Post by batman on Jun 19, 2024 18:42:14 GMT
Apart from Muslims most people don't really care about Israel/Palestine, no. But a demographic that very much *does* is the "BoHo" one which is of course massively well represented here. In fact many of the most fanatical obsessives of all on this topic - and also the likeliest to stray off into various at least AS-adjacent conspiracy theories - are to be found in this group. I can assure you that Jews care a very great deal about Israel/Palestine in almost every single case even if one Jew does not necessarily agree with another |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 19, 2024 21:39:18 GMT
Apart from Muslims most people don't really care about Israel/Palestine, no. But a demographic that very much *does* is the "BoHo" one which is of course massively well represented here. In fact many of the most fanatical obsessives of all on this topic - and also the likeliest to stray off into various at least AS-adjacent conspiracy theories - are to be found in this group. I’m not sure, Bish, I think most people do care, as they do about any humanitarian crisis, just not enough to change their vote. That is my position. It's partly because foreign policy isn't my main driver in electing a government, but also because, while I think I give foreign policy a higher profile than most voters, I do so on the foreign policy areas where I think the UK can exert some influence, and Israel/Palestine isn't one of them. But I agree with The Bishop on that particular demographic. (I do however wonder if it is overstated with regard to Bristol Central. I know that it is the most obvious feature of the place, but you could say something similar about the centre of Stroud, but there are loads of normie voters who you don't notice because they look exactly like all the normie voters everywhere else.) |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 19, 2024 21:44:22 GMT
I also wonder a bit about the prominence of Keir Starmer in the references to Labour. The assumption seems to be that he is some sort of hate figure.
Again, this is something quite common in leftist circles, especially among people who have defected to the Greens from labour, but I wonder whether it is really A Thing among normie voters.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 20, 2024 7:16:28 GMT
I also wonder a bit about the prominence of Keir Starmer in the references to Labour. The assumption seems to be that he is some sort of hate figure. Again, this is something quite common in leftist circles, especially among people who have defected to the Greens from labour, but I wonder whether it is really A Thing among normie voters. There's a touch of the Demon Eyes about it. If you're to the left of Labour, you're going to make hay when Labour get in and inevitably have to make unpopular decisions. Going for Starmer before he's even into Number Ten feels like shooting your bolt. |
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Post by batman on Jun 20, 2024 7:37:59 GMT
There's no question in (non-demon) eyes. Many people on the left lose their shit about Keir Starmer because of his wife's ethnicity & the fact that his children are Jewish. And many others accept the "analysis" of such people without properly questioning it. Of course many left-wing criticisms of Starmer are valid; but some are wild & unjustified.
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