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Post by Foggy on Oct 8, 2016 0:41:27 GMT
General election in the Yukon called for November 7th.
There isn't anything else of potential psephological interest taking place in North America that week, is there?
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Post by aross on Oct 8, 2016 7:27:11 GMT
General election in the Yukon called for November 7th. There isn't anything else of potential psephological interest taking place in North America that week, is there? Most recent poll: LIB 22 NDP 11 YUK 6 Undecided 61 No reason to take that with a pinch of salt at all. What's the odds the headline was 'Grits to win landslide on 56% of vote!'? |
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Post by maxque on Oct 8, 2016 7:30:20 GMT
General election in the Yukon called for November 7th. There isn't anything else of potential psephological interest taking place in North America that week, is there? PQ elected a new leader. The establishment candidate lost and the candidate of the nationalist wing won. Means I won't vote for them (and neither will the independentist, but non-nationalist parts of my family). |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 8, 2016 8:01:34 GMT
Well its better than it was looking last year, yes. Still a terrible result and they've lost a bunch of places they have no business losing. On the bright side (however) the new government is likely to be a trainwreck so expect them to be back next time around... Oh yes, a government whose leader experienced, in the most recent poll, his worst ever popularity rating of 57% and a net rating of +17%, which still makes him the most popular premier by far. |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 8, 2016 8:54:59 GMT
General election in the Yukon called for November 7th. There isn't anything else of potential psephological interest taking place in North America that week, is there? PQ elected a new leader. The establishment candidate lost and the candidate of the nationalist wing won. Means I won't vote for them (and neither will the independentist, but non-nationalist parts of my family). Thought you were a Federalist Max? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 8, 2016 10:05:07 GMT
General election in the Yukon called for November 7th. There isn't anything else of potential psephological interest taking place in North America that week, is there? PQ elected a new leader. The establishment candidate lost and the candidate of the nationalist wing won. Means I won't vote for them (and neither will the independentist, but non-nationalist parts of my family). The new chap is a fairly learned character isn't he? And whatever happened to Pierre Curzi? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 8, 2016 10:35:41 GMT
Well its better than it was looking last year, yes. Still a terrible result and they've lost a bunch of places they have no business losing. On the bright side (however) the new government is likely to be a trainwreck so expect them to be back next time around... Oh yes, a government whose leader experienced, in the most recent poll, his worst ever popularity rating of 57% and a net rating of +17%, which still makes him the most popular premier by far. Give it a few years. Obviously as you are twelve years old this is a tricky concept for you, but... |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 8, 2016 10:54:03 GMT
Oh yes, a government whose leader experienced, in the most recent poll, his worst ever popularity rating of 57% and a net rating of +17%, which still makes him the most popular premier by far. Give it a few years. Obviously as you are twelve years old this is a tricky concept for you, but... Actually, I know exactly how it can, and is happening right here in my home state, NSW with Mike Baird (Liberal), look him up and read some news, it's a very similar situation. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 8, 2016 10:54:46 GMT
Oh yes, a government whose leader experienced, in the most recent poll, his worst ever popularity rating of 57% and a net rating of +17%, which still makes him the most popular premier by far. Give it a few years. Obviously as you are twelve years old this is a tricky concept for you, but... I am 13 years old turning 14 in December |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 8, 2016 11:04:47 GMT
lmao
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Post by maxque on Oct 8, 2016 11:37:32 GMT
PQ elected a new leader. The establishment candidate lost and the candidate of the nationalist wing won. Means I won't vote for them (and neither will the independentist, but non-nationalist parts of my family). Thought you were a Federalist Max? I am, but I'm a left-winger first. Good policies is more important to me than the identity of the government doing them. Let's say options for a federalist left-winger are poor in Quebec. Well, options are poor for all voters in Quebec I say. We have the Liberals, which are mainly corrupt and ready for any policy if you give them enough donations. Except being federalist, they have no common values. No thanks. We have PQ, taking a nationalist and more right-wing turn with Lisée. Not much to appeal me there. People here know I don't like UKIP, I'll certainly not vote for an anti-immigration leader. We have the CAQ. Nationalist, right-wing and a bit of cult for their leader (which I never could stand, even when he was in PQ). Not for me. We have Quebec Solidaire, socialist, pro-immigration urban left. They are a bit insane, very much idealists. I voted for them last time as a protest vote against the PQ Immigration Charter (which was pretty much unconstitutional and a way to fire religious public servants, while exempting Catholics) and them running anti-union millionaire, PKP (a Quebec version of Berlusconi). PQ elected a new leader. The establishment candidate lost and the candidate of the nationalist wing won. Means I won't vote for them (and neither will the independentist, but non-nationalist parts of my family). The new chap is a fairly learned character isn't he? And whatever happened to Pierre Curzi? Indeed, he was a journalist in Paris and Washington for different news outlets in Quebec and was a guest writer about Quebec politics in international newspapers, was an adviser to Parizeau and Bouchard, wrote books about Quebec politics and was the CEO of a university research center about International Politics (and I'm pretty sure I saw him on TV explaining the Obama-McCain race in 2008). Was also a minister under Marois. Pierre Curzi: It's again related to PKP, in June 2011. Quebec City wants its NHL hockey team back since years and so they want a new arena. Quebecor (PKP company, he wasn't in politics yet) approched Quebec City government and they did a deal for building an arena and the ownership structure and all (with confidential parts). Obviously, law requires cities to be transparent and to do competitive bidding for any project of that scale, but, Quebec City people really wanted that arena, so a bill was written to make everything legal and block any legal recourse against it. PQ was against at first, because it's not transparent and because the majority of the caucus was opposed. However, PQ Quebec City area MNAs did an huge public tantrum, saying PQ leadership is betraying Quebec, forcing PQ leader to change its position and impose whipped party line on that, despite opposition of most PQ MNAs. Pierre Curzi, along a Bouchard era minister (Louise Beaudoin, ironically, when she retired at the next elected, Lisée replaced her) and the wife of Parizeau (Lisette Lapointe) decided to seat as Independents, rather than voting for it. They all retired at the next election. He returned to acting and is also doing political commentary every morning on radio with Mario Dumont. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 8, 2016 11:58:42 GMT
Curzi is a good actor- I was surprised he moved on.
Thanks for that. Quebec is endlessly fascinating but we never hear enough to be able to fully understand it.
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Post by maxque on Oct 8, 2016 12:21:29 GMT
Curzi is a good actor- I was surprised he moved on. Thanks for that. Quebec is endlessly fascinating but we never hear enough to be able to fully understand it. I can easily imagine, if that amphitheatre never existed, Curzi being PQ leader right now (because Péladeau would have fallen in any case. He has been very quiet since resigning and even more since we learnt he hired a PI to spy on his wife (they were at the time and still are in divorce proceedings). Many issues in Canada are caused by English Canada not understanding Quebec and the reverse. The Two Solitudes, as someone said. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2016 7:32:32 GMT
The Liberal Party won a majority government in the Yukon overnight, taking 11 seats to 6 for the incumbent Yukon Party (i.e. proxy Conservatives) and just 2 for the NDP. The Greens averaged around 3.5% of the vote in the 5 ridings where they ran candidates, and there was also one independent who finished last in his constituency.
It's tough to know how to interpret it – on the basis of the last Legislative Assembly vote, the state of the parties at dissolution, sporadic polling or the result at the federal election. One has to tread cautiously in the last instance due to the strict separation of the three layers of government in Canada, but I can't believe that such a remote place would really demand duplication of equipment, premises and staff for ideological brethren just to satisfy this requirement. Only in that respect is there a swing against the Liberals, suggesting that Justin Trudeau's honeymoon is not all that strong in that corner of the country.
However, on the other metrics, the result was fairly consistent with the polls and represents a gain of 9 seats from the last territorial election and of 10 seats from dissolution. New Premier-elect Sandy Silver had been the only Liberal in the legislature before the election and chose to spend election night at his home in former capital Dawson City in the Klondike district. The NPD has lost two thirds of its caucus plus Official Opposition status, while the Yukon Party appears to have lost its leader (pending a recount in a close three-way race), sitting Premier Darrell Pasloski.
It looks like there was a quiet campaign, with the main issue being something outside of the Assembly's jurisdiction, namely a 'carbon tax' that the federal government was always going to impose on the place whatever the result. That part of Canada gets unfathomably cold in the winter, leading to a heavy reliance on diesel.
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Post by uhurasmazda on Nov 8, 2016 9:46:23 GMT
The NPD has lost two thirds of its caucus plus Official Opposition status, while the Yukon Party appears to have lost its leader (pending a recount in a close three-way race), sitting Premier Darrell Pasloski. It would have to be a pretty weird recount, since he came third on the night. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 8, 2016 16:02:09 GMT
The NPD has lost two thirds of its caucus plus Official Opposition status, while the Yukon Party appears to have lost its leader (pending a recount in a close three-way race), sitting Premier Darrell Pasloski. It would have to be a pretty weird recount, since he came third on the night. Third, but only 40 votes behind the winner! If you're looking at percentages rather than raw votes it can be deceptive since the ridings are so small. In Old Crow there were only 150 valid votes cast. Three of those were for the NDP, who didn't manage to find a candidate there last time. The incumbent had been elected as a Liberal, but crossed the floor to the Yukon Party... only to lose to the Liberals by 7 votes this time. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2016 17:38:56 GMT
It would have to be a pretty weird recount, since he came third on the night. Third, but only 40 votes behind the winner! If you're looking at percentages rather than raw votes it can be deceptive since the ridings are so small. In Old Crow there were only 150 valid votes cast. Three of those were for the NDP, who didn't manage to find a candidate there last time. The incumbent had been elected as a Liberal, but crossed the floor to the Yukon Party... only to lose to the Liberals by 7 votes this time. There's no riding with the name Old Crow anymore... |
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 8, 2016 19:28:29 GMT
The Yukon Legislative Assembly is basically a parish council.
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Post by Foggy on Nov 14, 2016 20:03:47 GMT
Third, but only 40 votes behind the winner! If you're looking at percentages rather than raw votes it can be deceptive since the ridings are so small. In Old Crow there were only 150 valid votes cast. Three of those were for the NDP, who didn't manage to find a candidate there last time. The incumbent had been elected as a Liberal, but crossed the floor to the Yukon Party... only to lose to the Liberals by 7 votes this time. There's no riding with the name Old Crow anymore... I was using the English name of Vuntut Gwitchin. |
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Post by john07 on Nov 14, 2016 20:25:02 GMT
The Yukon Legislative Assembly is basically a parish council. Yukan say that. I couldn't possibly comment. |
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