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Post by nyx on May 23, 2024 13:38:27 GMT
I'm not expecting it to be remotely competitive, at a guess I'd say Labour maybe manages 20% of the vote.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 23, 2024 13:39:48 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles.
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Post by graham on May 23, 2024 13:48:08 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles. I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. |
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Post by right on May 23, 2024 13:56:29 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles. I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. Starmer is (present tense) a Pabloite and not a Stalinist |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 23, 2024 14:04:53 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles. I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind.
Calling Starmer as Stalinist just makes you look silly.
I've always seen Corbyn as a principled man, but also as a party loyalist, and I think he would still be if he hadn't become leader. Maybe this is more what I meant than my initial post suggested.
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Post by carlton43 on May 23, 2024 14:15:26 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles. I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. Wouldn't 'Starmerism' be better? I fancy being an official apparatchik and wonder if you might advise me on my application? |
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Post by stb12 on May 23, 2024 14:18:51 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles. I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. I don’t know that it’s a case of little choice, he’s had a long run as an MP and isn’t exactly young. Obviously he’s perfectly entitled to stand as an independent if he wants to but like pretty much everyone in that scenario there will clearly be some ego involved |
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Post by right on May 23, 2024 14:27:08 GMT
I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. I don’t know that it’s a case of little choice, he’s had a long run as an MP and isn’t exactly young. Obviously he’s perfectly entitled to stand as an independent if he wants to but like pretty much everyone in that scenario there will clearly be some ego involved Which is why Labour should want a run. He's likely to be out in the next Parliament and almost certainly will not be in the Parliament after that. |
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Post by wallington on May 23, 2024 15:29:01 GMT
If Moema gets chosen and wins the seat, we would have a GLA constituency by-election in the North East seat. Classic Paul Mason, he's the gift that keeps on giving, someone who truly unites all strands of the Labour Party. |
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Post by bsjmcr on May 23, 2024 15:33:14 GMT
If Moema gets chosen and wins the seat, we would have a GLA constituency by-election in the North East seat. Classic Paul Mason, he's the gift that keeps on giving, someone who truly unites all strands of the Labour Party. Is he the Sebastian Payne of the left? I’m surprised he hasn’t become a meme yet in his pursuit of a safe seat. |
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Post by batman on May 23, 2024 16:55:47 GMT
If he stands he may walk it and be reelected, but my overall view of him will go down. I have generally seen him as a man of principle but I think the leadership has led to be another whose ego is now determining what he does, not principles. I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. Corbyn is the one whose views are closer to Stalinism. The fact that Starmer keeps a pretty tight rein on the Labour Party does not make him a Stalinist. |
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Post by graham on May 23, 2024 17:31:45 GMT
JC will announce standing today. Just had a bet at 6/4 he'll win Islington, which I think is good value. Surprised they laid it. Corbyn if he just gets 40% of his 34,000 2019 vote he will win. That'll give him 14,000 vote. The turnout last time was 26,000. I'd say he's 80% favourite to win. With respect turnout in 2019 was 53,805 - not 26,000. |
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Post by right on May 23, 2024 17:36:38 GMT
JC will announce standing today. Just had a bet at 6/4 he'll win Islington, which I think is good value. Surprised they laid it. Corbyn if he just gets 40% of his 34,000 2019 vote he will win. That'll give him 14,000 vote. The turnout last time was 26,000. I'd say he's 80% favourite to win. No announcement yet, day's wearing on |
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Post by right on May 23, 2024 19:27:05 GMT
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 23, 2024 19:39:06 GMT
Can he afford to stand without the party machine?
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Post by batman on May 23, 2024 19:48:14 GMT
well he has his Peace & Justice project. I don't see that as a problem for him
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 23, 2024 20:02:08 GMT
Can he afford to stand without the party machine? Do you seriously think that Corbyn will have a shortage of volunteers to help on his campaign? |
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Post by finsobruce on May 23, 2024 20:51:43 GMT
Can he afford to stand without the party machine? Of course. |
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Post by bsjmcr on May 23, 2024 20:55:35 GMT
I’ve heard this is the smallest constituency by area size, but I don’t know much more than that (other than what Corbyn’s house looks like!). In theory this would make it easy to canvas and have volunteers sweep every inch of the area, but is it that easy? Do people tend live in large/high rise apartments which might be hard to access?
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Post by Sg1 on May 23, 2024 21:20:15 GMT
I’ve heard this is the smallest constituency by area size, but I don’t know much more than that (other than what Corbyn’s house looks like!). In theory this would make it easy to canvas and have volunteers sweep every inch of the area, but is it that easy? Do people tend live in large/high rise apartments which might be hard to access? Never been here, but I'd imagine there's a lot of older / not easy to access high rises. |
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