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Post by greatkingrat on May 23, 2024 21:39:45 GMT
Can he afford to stand without the party machine? Do you seriously think that Corbyn will have a shortage of volunteers to help on his campaign? Will they be the right sort of volunteers though? A load of hardcore Trots knocking on doors may put off the soft left voters that Corbyn needs to win. |
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Post by gerrardwinstanley on May 23, 2024 21:46:06 GMT
I have never been a Corbynite but have viewed him as both a great campaigner and man of principle. The CLP clearly wishes to readopt him but are barred by the Stalinism of Starmer and hi s apparatchiks. They have really left him with little choice. Whilst he will lose his party membership , that may not be permanent. There are many examples of people leaving or being expelled from the party who are later readmitted. Luciana Berger comes to mind. Corbyn is the one whose views are closer to Stalinism. The fact that Starmer keeps a pretty tight rein on the Labour Party does not make him a Stalinist. In what ways are Corybn's views remotely close to Stalinism? The original poster's were in regards to party democracy, or lack of thereof; compared to Corybn, Starmer keeps an iron grip over selections, investigations, etc. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 23, 2024 22:10:16 GMT
Can he afford to stand without the party machine? Do you seriously think that Corbyn will have a shortage of volunteers to help on his campaign? Also would local Labour members campaign heaving against him or would they suddenly decide that Islington South & Finsbury is a better place to pop out to campaign to? |
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Post by right on May 24, 2024 6:31:15 GMT
Do you seriously think that Corbyn will have a shortage of volunteers to help on his campaign? Will they be the right sort of volunteers though? A load of hardcore Trots knocking on doors may put off the soft left voters that Corbyn needs to win. In a campaign like this any volunteer is the right volunteer. Voters just need an impression that you can win, which needs some ground presence. Livingston's independent campaign was plagued with the worst type of lefties but it didn't matter. And Galloway won the white vote in his by-elections with largely Muslim volunteers. When the novelty wears off then the type of activist matters. |
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Post by andrewp on May 24, 2024 7:12:28 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has announced that he IS standing as an Independent candidate
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Post by batman on May 24, 2024 7:17:42 GMT
And I’m announcing that I will canvass for the Labour candidate
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 7:17:57 GMT
The first year since 1992 that Jeremy BERNARD Corbyn (I) and BERNARD Sanders (I) are up for re-election in the same year.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 24, 2024 7:21:18 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn has announced that he IS standing as an Independent candidate And he will win. |
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Post by edgbaston on May 24, 2024 7:28:17 GMT
The first year since 1992 that Jeremy BERNARD Corbyn (I) and BERNARD Sanders (I) are up for re-election in the same year. For the first time both as independents. But both with very different approaches to their respective hegemonic centre left party. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 24, 2024 7:39:26 GMT
He has posted a video statement
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 24, 2024 8:17:21 GMT
The only other former Labour Party Leader to get thrown out for opposing the party was Ramsay MacDonald.
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Post by ricmk on May 24, 2024 8:27:35 GMT
Good day for popcorn sales.
I'll go against the grain; I think it will be close and I'd make Labour favourites. No doubt that Corbyn has many online and outside fanatical followers and he'll have no shortage of campaigners.
But critical mass against a Labour party serious about winning, that's known it's facing a fight here for ages and surrounded by safe Labour seats? I think the red team may prevail.
But it will be fascinating.
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Post by Merseymike on May 24, 2024 8:30:34 GMT
I hope Jeremy Corbyn wins.
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Post by philvn on May 24, 2024 8:32:14 GMT
Good day for popcorn sales. I'll go against the grain; I think it will be close and I'd make Labour favourites. No doubt that Corbyn has many online and outside fanatical followers and he'll have no shortage of campaigners. But critical mass against a Labour party serious about winning, that's known it's facing a fight here for ages and surrounded by safe Labour seats? I think the red team may prevail. But it will be fascinating. Yes, I can certainly see this. |
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Post by right on May 24, 2024 8:41:49 GMT
Good day for popcorn sales. I'll go against the grain; I think it will be close and I'd make Labour favourites. No doubt that Corbyn has many online and outside fanatical followers and he'll have no shortage of campaigners. But critical mass against a Labour party serious about winning, that's known it's facing a fight here for ages and surrounded by safe Labour seats? I think the red team may prevail. But it will be fascinating. Why would Labour HQ bother with this? Corbyn would always vote with them and his presence is a useful way of telling everyone that they're sane again. And Islington North should fall into their lap when Corbyn retires or dies. |
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Post by joe on May 24, 2024 8:58:06 GMT
I hope Jeremy Corbyn wins. I think you'll get your wish |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2024 9:04:14 GMT
In the seemingly plausible (albeit probably not the most likely) scenario that Corbyn wins this and Pete Wishart loses his race, Corbyn will be the MP with the longest continuous spell in opposition.
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Post by right on May 24, 2024 9:05:31 GMT
In the seemingly plausible (albeit probably not the most likely) scenario that Corbyn wins this and Pete Wishart loses his race, Corbyn will be the MP with the longest continuous spell in opposition. Ever? |
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Post by stb12 on May 24, 2024 9:35:19 GMT
Good day for popcorn sales. I'll go against the grain; I think it will be close and I'd make Labour favourites. No doubt that Corbyn has many online and outside fanatical followers and he'll have no shortage of campaigners. But critical mass against a Labour party serious about winning, that's known it's facing a fight here for ages and surrounded by safe Labour seats? I think the red team may prevail. But it will be fascinating. I‘ll go against the majority as well, I think Labour will win. Albeit Corbyn will produce one of the strongest independence challenges for a while and I wouldn’t exactly bet my house on the outcome |
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Post by batman on May 24, 2024 9:40:55 GMT
Good day for popcorn sales. I'll go against the grain; I think it will be close and I'd make Labour favourites. No doubt that Corbyn has many online and outside fanatical followers and he'll have no shortage of campaigners. But critical mass against a Labour party serious about winning, that's known it's facing a fight here for ages and surrounded by safe Labour seats? I think the red team may prevail. But it will be fascinating. Why would Labour HQ bother with this? Corbyn would always vote with them and his presence is a useful way of telling everyone that they're sane again. And Islington North should fall into their lap when Corbyn retires or dies. why? because, for many Labour Party members, including most of its Jewish ones, he is beyond the pale & needs to be opposed. |
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