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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 9, 2024 8:52:23 GMT
When Channel 4 interviewed Corbyn on their election night programme, studio guest Harriet Harman asked him a question and her attitude towards him stank. She was totally classless and came across as a horrible individual. I have zero admiration for her. I mean, he did lead her party to one of the worst election results they've ever had. I'm not sure why she would be happy to see him. 33% is a winning margin in a general election didn't you know?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 8:56:40 GMT
The very upper middle class Harman is somewhat typical of many in the Lab centre right. Well off and never struggled for money for a single second of their life, little wonder Corbyn frightened their horses. Harriet also bottled it by not running for the leadership in 2010 and would have been better in the LOTO role than either Miliband who were DOA due to knifing.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 9, 2024 9:10:34 GMT
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 9, 2024 9:12:20 GMT
The very upper middle class Harman is somewhat typical of many in the Lab centre right. Well off and never struggled for money for a single second of their life, little wonder Corbyn frightened their horses. Not as posh as Corbyn, Benn, Blair Mosely
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Post by batman on Jul 9, 2024 9:30:53 GMT
Actually, to be fair, Harriet Harman is really pretty posh. She's related to Lady Elizabeth Longford who was related to the political Chamberlains and through marriage is related to David Cameron. She went to St Paul's Girls' School. I'd say she's at least on a par with the Benns for poshness & posher than Jeremy Corbyn & Tony Blair
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 9:33:03 GMT
She' called Harriet. The other Harriet who was MP for West Worcestershire also went to St Paul's I believe. St Paul's Girls are very ambitious people from all of them that I met at Oxford (unrepresentative sample) - I guess that fizzled out with Harriet Harman.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 9, 2024 12:01:05 GMT
Regrettably there's no working class, no poor C2 D E people amongst the Labour MPs. No private renters AFAIK. No students. No manual workers. Stacked almost without exception with the middle class, upper middle class, professional politicians, ex SPADs.
The 1945 intake consisted of at least 70 miners or recent eX Miners
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 9, 2024 12:11:37 GMT
Regrettably there's no working class, no poor C2 D E people amongst the Labour MPs. No private renters AFAIK. No students. No manual workers. Stacked almost without exception with the middle class, upper middle class, professional politicians, ex SPADs. The 1945 intake consisted of at least 70 miners or recent eX Miners Paul Davies Colne Valley MP is a former working class miner and NUM rep. But the main reason we don’t have 70 new miner MPs is because we barely have any open mines you fool. Utter crap to say there are no “C2 D E people” or “private renters” or “manual workers” amongst Labour MPs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 12:13:47 GMT
Regrettably there's no working class, no poor C2 D E people amongst the Labour MPs. No private renters AFAIK. No students. No manual workers. Stacked almost without exception with the middle class, upper middle class, professional politicians, ex SPADs. The 1945 intake consisted of at least 70 miners or recent eX Miners Nadia Whittome is from a normal background, no? Zarah Sultane? Florence Eshalomi? Bell Ribeiro-Addy? Diane Abbott? I'm pinning your comment lol.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 9, 2024 12:38:08 GMT
Paul Davies Colne Valley MP is a former working class miner and NUM rep. But the main reason we don’t have 70 new miner MPs is because we barely have any open mines you fool. Utter crap to say there are no “C2 D E people” or “private renters” or “manual workers” amongst Labour MPs. As well as changes to the nature of work, it is also the case that the big shift has been in Trade Union culture: it used to be that the typical candidate put forward by a union would be someone who had worked in the field represented by the union and had then become an official of some kind, but this essentially doesn't happen now. Instead the typical TU MP has worked for the union, or at least in the wider Labour Movement, since they left university. The thing is, though, many of these people do genuinely come from working or lower middle class backgrounds and understand the material concerns of Labour voters from personal experience.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jul 9, 2024 13:12:22 GMT
Regrettably there's no working class, no poor C2 D E people amongst the Labour MPs. No private renters AFAIK. No students. No manual workers. Stacked almost without exception with the middle class, upper middle class, professional politicians, ex SPADs. The 1945 intake consisted of at least 70 miners or recent eX Miners Paul Davies Colne Valley MP is a former working class miner and NUM rep. But the main reason we don’t have 70 new miner MPs is because we barely have any open mines you fool. Utter crap to say there are no “C2 D E people” or “private renters” or “manual workers” amongst Labour MPs. I mine bitcoin
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 9, 2024 13:17:23 GMT
Next time round Labour might pick a more suitable candidate if Corbyn stands again? #justsaying
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 13:20:46 GMT
Next time round Labour might pick a more suitable candidate if Corbyn stands again? #justsaying Corbyn isn't losing this. The tactical votes for Labour will unwind and he will win by more like 20 I'd have thought.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 9, 2024 13:22:12 GMT
He will be around 80 next time and its hard to believe that might not be at least something of a factor.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 9, 2024 13:23:33 GMT
Like all commies, his grip on power will be tight until he is either deposed by the people or the Reaper.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 9, 2024 16:32:42 GMT
True, I am beginning to ponder that he maybe beat Samuel Young's record of the oldest serving member (96 yrs old).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 16:34:13 GMT
Maybe Corbyn will do a Robert Byrd and stay here until he dies. I wouldn't mind Corbyn as MP until 90+. He's a good progressive sans the problematic stuff.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 9, 2024 18:31:03 GMT
Like all commies, his grip on power will be tight until he is either deposed by the people or the Reaper. like Charles Kennedy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2024 7:54:30 GMT
The estimated ward results have Corbyn winning everything apart from Tufnell Park. Based on the pro-Labour signage in that ward - that feels about rights. I guess Tufnell Park is a bit more well off than Highbury in parts and perhaps less polarised. Highbury has ex council flats that are Buy to Lets around Aubert Park but respledant Georgiana around Highbury Terrace, Highbury Crescent and the Fields more broadly. I don't think Tufnell Park is anywhere near as polarised as Highbury is based on friends in the latter and clients in the former. Sir Robert Chote and Sharon White live in Tufnell Park I believe - I strongly suspect they voted against Corbyn.
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Post by ricmk on Jul 11, 2024 8:48:41 GMT
Next time round Labour might pick a more suitable candidate if Corbyn stands again? #justsaying So what does that look like? Labour kind of bottled it by selecting last minute, as they didn't want to split the local party ahead of the campaign. I could understand why, but it didn't exactly work out, and I see we have resignations in Islington Labour anyway. So that left a totally unknown candidate (outside his ward) up against the 40 year incumbent. Yes he could be attacked on private healthcare but he didn't have time to establish himself and probably a bigger issue? His health expertise could have been made a positive with more time. Surely if Labour are serious about winning this next time, they need to bite the bullet and select early? If that causes local angst then so be it - the damage is done and any challenger will need much more time to prove they can be as active an MP as the incumbent, who will be 80 odd by the time of the next election.
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