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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2024 17:45:39 GMT
That is brilliant even if it seems trivial, contrasts with Starmer’s underwhelming result in Holborn. You can’t imagine him having the same connection with locals. Given that it is a university constituency it would be bloody hard to. Some on Feinstein's campaign forgot this, but (alas) most of the students had gone home by poling day. If not, Holborn & St Pancras would've been closer I think.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 7, 2024 18:14:50 GMT
I very much doubt that.
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Post by right on Jul 7, 2024 18:17:28 GMT
Closer doesn't mean close
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Post by batman on Jul 7, 2024 18:18:49 GMT
Closer maybe. Close certainly not.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 7, 2024 18:19:16 GMT
Most students are not Student Activists, stop being silly.
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Post by aargauer on Jul 7, 2024 18:54:39 GMT
Most students are not Student Activists, stop being silly. Apart from SOAS
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 7, 2024 18:55:49 GMT
Most students are not Student Activists, stop being silly. Apart from SOAS Indeed, but SOAS is tiny.
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Post by aargauer on Jul 7, 2024 18:58:00 GMT
Indeed, but SOAS is tiny. Even then, I doubt most of them can vote, most of them who do may vote at home, and of those who do vote locally, the number who know who Andrew Feinstein is is likely very low.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 7, 2024 20:56:27 GMT
In other words a very good MP and person. Claims v little expenses too. It's a bit easier to have low expenses in Zone 2 than in the Highlands.
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Post by cathyc on Jul 7, 2024 21:14:32 GMT
In other words a very good MP and person. Claims v little expenses too. As a London MP he's not allowed to claim expenses for secondary accommodation or daily travel. I don't remember him saying that he claimed very little but his supporters often did and he never seemed to paint the fuller picture.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Jul 7, 2024 22:29:45 GMT
The claim about Corbyn's expenses seems to keep rearing its ugly head, even though it has been debunked on many occasions. The facts show that Corbyn's expenses are entirely ordinary by the standards of London MPs. For what it's worth, I don't think low expenses would be anything to be crowing about, since it strongly suggests somebody is not doing their job properly.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 7, 2024 22:45:07 GMT
Corbyn's victory must rank number 1 in personal achievement in terms of individual electoral success. To win as an Independent by a margin 7,300 15% over the main party who are polling nationally 42/43% is fantastic and as I say the best ever personal seat win ever.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 7, 2024 22:48:15 GMT
Corbyn's victory must rank number 1 in personal achievement in terms of individual electoral success. To win as an Independent by a margin 7,300 15% over the main party who are polling nationally 42/43% is fantastic and as I say the best ever personal seat win ever. Not the best ever by a long way. For starters it pales in comparison to the performance of Denis Pritt in Hammersmith North 1945, probably the most comparable result to this one (and Pritt was perhaps even worse a Communist and traitor than Corbyn)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 1:37:13 GMT
Most students are not Student Activists, stop being silly. A few observations as a Feinstein campaigner. We probably squeezed half of the Green vote - if Andrew Feinstein weren't on the ballot, the Greens would've come second in Holborn & St Pancras with about 20% of the vote (probably more). We didn't squeeze the Greens in the areas where they poll well in local elections - Kentish Town North and South, where there are a lot of white liberal gentrifiers - Starmer also lives off one of the main roads which we think boosted Labour in Kentish Town. It seems as if parts of the area are on a similar trajectory to Dartmouth Park which is fairly gentrified now. Swap Primrose Hill for Gospel Oak. We were always bleeding votes to Wais Islam, especially around St Pancras & Somers Town and in parts of Holborn. It's a shame he stood, but "them's the brakes". Many people thought the Greens were the best challenger to Starmer because 1) Natalie Bennett got 7,000 votes in 2015 and 2) the only non-Labour Councillor elected in Starmer's old seat was a Green - Sian Berry in a way helping to cockblock Feinstein. There were a lot of students who were still in the seat - many of these were far richer and international so either weren't voting or voted Green (especially in the upscale student blocks around King's Cross and LSE's accommodation. Even if Wais Islam didn't stand and Feinstein held the Greens to their 2019 vote share, he would still have only got 28% of the vote (a solid result for a non-Labour candidate in that part of the world - a seat which notionally gave Starmer 66% of the vote in 2019). And in the Weld fantasy where Greens stand aside and their vote goes to Feinstein, he loses by 31% to 48%. Labour win by as much as they did in 1983, with Feinstein pulling ahead in St Pancras & Somers Town, Haverstock and possibly Holborn & Covent Garden. I for one hope Leanne Mohamad and Andrew Feinstein stand again.
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Post by norflondon on Jul 8, 2024 2:53:01 GMT
Was not aware of Pritt. Fascinating, thank you.
I'd agree this looks, on the face of it, to be better than Corbyn's achievement, however I do doubt that Pritt had seven years of constant vilification from his own party and from the national media and so it's debatable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 3:21:39 GMT
Was not aware of Pritt. Fascinating, thank you. I'd agree this looks, on the face of it, to be better than Corbyn's achievement, however I do doubt that Pritt had seven years of constant vilification from his own party and from the national media and so it's debatable. Didn't the right wing rags support appeasement of Hitler back in the 30s? Maybe they didn't put a target on Pritt's back, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did!
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Post by Foggy on Jul 8, 2024 4:36:48 GMT
Corbyn's victory must rank number 1 in personal achievement in terms of individual electoral success. To win as an Independent by a margin 7,300 15% over the main party who are polling nationally 42/43% is fantastic and as I say the best ever personal seat win ever. I mean, Labour were polling that high for a short while...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 4:38:23 GMT
90% of my friends' reactions when Corbyn won this:
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 8, 2024 8:20:49 GMT
Was not aware of Pritt. Fascinating, thank you. I'd agree this looks, on the face of it, to be better than Corbyn's achievement, however I do doubt that Pritt had seven years of constant vilification from his own party and from the national media and so it's debatable. Didn't the right wing rags support appeasement of Hitler back in the 30s? Maybe they didn't put a target on Pritt's back, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did! Well Pritt supported 'appeasement' of Stalin and even supported the verdict of the Moscow show trials. I suspect his victory in 1945 was based on his constituency work as a de facto 'Poor Man's Lawyer'. He was well beaten in 1950, finishing behind the Conservative.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jul 8, 2024 8:30:28 GMT
Corbyn's victory must rank number 1 in personal achievement in terms of individual electoral success. To win as an Independent by a margin 7,300 15% over the main party who are polling nationally 42/43% is fantastic and as I say the best ever personal seat win ever. I mean, Labour were polling that high for a short while... higher than that too
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