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Post by batman on Jun 16, 2024 9:10:58 GMT
Back to Islington North, if we accept Rory Stewart's claim: London is 500 villages, Holloway, Highbury etc would have been separate places before the industrial revolution. I'm not sure if Hilmarton and Hillrise were both place names (the first surely was, with the -ton). Gillespie must have been a significant local person. Quadrant and Junction? You can work those out. Upper Holloway and Lower Holloway might have been separate settlements once. Tufnell Park? You know. there's a good YouTube channel called Map Men, they have a series called Unfinished London. It's mostly about the underground but they've got an episode on London boroughs and where they get there name from. Would recommend Also just watched a video by someone else on London's oldest terminus and where they get their names from. He also did one on stations and where they get their names from. When I was a young man it was still possible to see the remains of Nine Elms station, the terminus which preceded Waterloo in the 19th century, from the train tracks up above. Not long afterwards it was swallowed up, I think by the New Covent Garden market. |
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Post by batman on Jun 16, 2024 9:12:03 GMT
Thank you. I guess Gillespie was just the name of the builder or a significant local. Hillrise ward has got to be based on geography. Tollington was probably a village. Mildmay is probably a settlement, and could come from weather - mild May? I'd need to look into that one. It may have been the local noble family. Arsenal? Obvious. Now Tollington is actually mentioned as a separate settlement in Domesday book as 'Tolentone'.
Mildmay is a family name from the baronetcy created (latterly) in 1765. All the local references are from the great niece of the second baronet, Jane St John Mildmay.
Cyril Harris's "What's in a name" originally published in 1977 is about tube station names, but gives a lot of this sort of information. Harris revised the contents about twenty years after the original publication. Another book "Why Does a Shepherd Need a Bush" covers a lot of the same ground.
surely we know what some shepherds would be likely to do in bushes. |
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Post by batman on Jun 16, 2024 9:12:40 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. There is also a California on the northern outskirts of Great Yarmouth. there's also a Milan outer suburb of that name apparently |
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Post by islington on Jun 16, 2024 9:33:47 GMT
There is also a California on the northern outskirts of Great Yarmouth. there's also a Milan outer suburb of that name apparently And Ipswich. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 9:35:47 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. North America is in South Yorkshire. Maryland is in Newham. Dresden is in Stoke-on-Trent. Hanover being in Brighton makes sense though (George IV). They all 'make sense' in one way or another especially within the context of the naming. Why would they not? Hanover makes less sense than most of them actually. Spion Kop in Warsop on the Mansfield road from Worksop is a favourite. All delightful names rooted in history. The connection to the battle being General Coke who was officer commanding at what was massive defeat caused by the poor strategy of Redvers Buller. The Cokes of Debdale Hall (the general of Brimmington Hall) being noted landowners and industrialists. The starkness of the Boer name to the ancient wetlands of two soppes and the conjunction of a coke to a coalfield are all wonderful. |
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Post by batman on Jun 16, 2024 9:42:20 GMT
Not sure how much Hanover is used to describe that very hilly area, but it is sometimes certainly.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 10:00:13 GMT
East Palestine isn't in the Middle East, but ... Ohio. It IS in the Middle East as well old chap! |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 16, 2024 10:09:37 GMT
Well there's Derry and Londonderry - neighbouring villages in New Hampshire.
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Post by Crimson King on Jun 16, 2024 10:18:45 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. is in South Yorkshire. Maryland is in Newham. Dresden is in Stoke-on-Trent. Hanover being in Brighton makes sense though (George IV). I used to walk there when younger (from Upper Midhope) round Langsett Reservoir |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 16, 2024 10:29:56 GMT
I don’t quite know why this discussion started about place names, but it reminds me of the fact that Justin Bieber was born in London
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 16, 2024 10:36:21 GMT
Now Tollington is actually mentioned as a separate settlement in Domesday book as 'Tolentone'.
Mildmay is a family name from the baronetcy created (latterly) in 1765. All the local references are from the great niece of the second baronet, Jane St John Mildmay.
Cyril Harris's "What's in a name" originally published in 1977 is about tube station names, but gives a lot of this sort of information. Harris revised the contents about twenty years after the original publication. Another book "Why Does a Shepherd Need a Bush" covers a lot of the same ground.
surely we know what some shepherds would be likely to do in bushes. Wash their socks by night? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 10:40:42 GMT
I don’t quite know why this discussion started about place names, but it reminds me of the fact that Justin Bieber was born in London And that vociferously English fellow Boris Johnson was born in New York, the first PM born outside the British Isles since Canadian-born Andrew Bonar Law. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 16, 2024 10:46:05 GMT
Well there's Derry and Londonderry - neighbouring villages in New Hampshire. There's Londonderry between Bearwood and Smethwick, and another just off A1(M) in North Yorkshire. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 16, 2024 11:14:16 GMT
I don’t quite know why this discussion started about place names, but it reminds me of the fact that Justin Bieber was born in London And quite what does that have to do with the price of twopenny rice? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 12:34:10 GMT
I just ran into some Labour campaigners in Archway on the way to Aldi. They seemed nervous, although they tried to make conversation. I just said: "Me, vote for the Labour Party? Me? ... as for your NEC ruling, I wipe my arse with it. You wouldn't know social DEMOCRACY if it slapped you across the face .. pair of idiots", and I stormed off bellowing out "Oh, Jeremy Corbyn" as loud as I could.
In reality, we wasted an hour talking, only for me to tell them, "Sorry, I just remembered I don't live in the constituency", and I took some leaflets for my friends who do (now burnt - always good to carry a Zippo).
Jokes aside, none of that happened to be crystal clear. I don't envy campaigning against Corbyn in Corbyn land, but as a Tory campaigner in Oxford West & Abingdon in 2016-17, I can empathise with them and their challenge.
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Post by arnieg on Jun 16, 2024 13:00:40 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. There is also a California on the northern outskirts of Great Yarmouth. I'm currently in California USA looking at redwoods but I'll soon be back in California Wokingham where one has already been felled. 😉 And given how successful Corbyn was in mobilising residents against the Blair government (the Andover estate housing ballot being the best example) I fully expect him to win. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 13:05:00 GMT
The funniest place in California is Calexico, a delightfully named portmanteau (California and Mexico). Back to Toronto, it has an Islington station and Islington City-Centre West.
I've been reading some Lynn Truss 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' recently so you don't have to.
Highbury 'n' Islington
Highbury, an Islington?
Highbury in Islington
Highbury & Islington
Highbury, in Islington?
Hi, Berry and Islington
Hi, bury Anne Islington.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 16, 2024 13:40:02 GMT
I just ran into some Labour campaigners in Archway on the way to Aldi. They seemed nervous, although they tried to make conversation. I just said: "Me, vote for the Labour Party? Me? ... as for your NEC ruling, I wipe my arse with it. You wouldn't know social DEMOCRACY if it slapped you across the face .. pair of idiots", and I stormed off bellowing out "Oh, Jeremy Corbyn" as loud as I could. In reality, we wasted an hour talking, only for me to tell them, "Sorry, I just remembered I don't live in the constituency", and I took some leaflets for my friends who do (now burnt - always good to carry a Zippo). Jokes aside, none of that happened to be crystal clear. I don't envy campaigning against Corbyn in Corbyn land, but as a Tory campaigner in Oxford West & Abingdon in 2016-17, I can empathise with them and their challenge. Have you been drinking too much armadillo juice today? |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 16, 2024 13:57:24 GMT
I don’t quite know why this discussion started about place names, but it reminds me of the fact that Justin Bieber was born in London And quite what does that have to do with the price of twopenny rice? Because a bicycle doesn’t have any windows. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 16, 2024 14:39:39 GMT
The funniest place in California is Calexico, a delightfully named portmanteau (California and Mexico). Back to Toronto, it has an Islington station and Islington City-Centre West. I've been reading some Lynn Truss 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' recently so you don't have to. Highbury 'n' Islington Highbury, an Islington? Highbury in Islington Highbury & Islington Highbury, in Islington? Hi, Berry and Islington Hi, bury Anne Islington. There's a band called Calexico. They've been going for years. |
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