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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 4:34:20 GMT
Corbyn's rally was well-attended, as you'd expect (but many attendees will be from outside the constituency. I saw the first Labour poster in the seat yesterday (on Tufnell Park Road), but Corbyn posters dominate that ward, one of the more well-heeled in the seat (source: I had a client in the area for a while). I think Highbury and Tufnell Park may be slightly weaker for Corbyn since they have more City workers than other parts of the seat. However, his Assad margins in places like Finsbury Park (with its large Muslim population) easily deliver him victory on July 4th. Why is this not in Islington South and Finsbury? To an ignorant northerner, the mind boggles... Wait until you find out that Cambridge Heath isn't in Cambridge, but in Bethnal Green! Back to this constituency, I reckon Labour beat Corbyn by running it up in the more affluent Highbury and Tufnell Park wards and hoping that Corbyn supporters' anger at the Gaza war and his deselection subside by polling day, as well as for massive tactical voting (as in, the Tories lose their deposit here). Many attendees at his events can't vote here, and many of his biggest fans are students or those who were students in 2019 and are dotted around the country. The other thing is the highly transient population here. Many won't vote, but many who will be loyal to Labour rather than Corbyn. You'd be hard-pressed to find many who've been plumping for JC since the 1980s or even the 2010s living here. That said, don't underestimate the longstanding social housing element which (unless they were Right to Buy then Buy to Let - ugh, end this) will not be all that transient. However, Labour should emphasise that a Labour council (of which Corbyn has never been a member) got a lot done for the borough while he was posturing on national issues etc. I don't rate the Labour candidate's chances though, and a more well-known Islington North Labour figure would fare better, I think. Does this seat have its version of Julain Fulbrook or our own David Boothroyd (veteran Labour Cllr who could (possibly) pull this off)? If so, it's too late as the candidate is in place. It would have been funny to see e.g. Luke Akehurst lose this for Labour for, erm, reasons I won't get into here. Re: voter ID, when I ran as an independent, I just worked out who the Oxford Union members were from event attendance, social media engagement with the society, and making a mental note of who got term cards sent to their college ( it worked, until it didn't) I'm sure Corbyn *knows* who a lot of the voters are here. |
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Post by YL on Jun 16, 2024 6:37:16 GMT
And Watford Gap is nowhere near Watford. Watford Gap is quite close to Watford. Watford, Northamptonshire, that is. The actual park called Finsbury Park is not in this constituency (it's in Hornsey & Friern Barnet) but of course it gives its name to a wider area which does extend into this constituency. Finsbury Park station is in this constituency. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 6:39:28 GMT
East Palestine isn't in the Middle East, but ... Ohio.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 16, 2024 7:08:56 GMT
And Watford Gap is nowhere near Watford. Scotch Corner is not near Scotland Nor are Rhodesia and Wales (a few miles east of Sheffield) in Africa or on the Irish Sea coast. That reminds me, we used to always go to the Pantomime at The Crucible when I was a kid. One year the dame got a young kid on stage and asked where they were from answer Wales, to which the dame replied that is a long way to come. It being pantomime the audience quickly corrected said dame.  |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 16, 2024 7:30:27 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 7:34:12 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. North America is in South Yorkshire. Maryland is in Newham. Dresden is in Stoke-on-Trent. Hanover being in Brighton makes sense though (George IV). |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 16, 2024 7:45:06 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. Hollywood is also in Co Down. Philadelphia is in Tyne and Wear, as is Washington. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 16, 2024 7:49:04 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. Hollywood is also in Co Down. Philadelphia is in Tyne and Wear, as is Washington. And New York is near Whitley Bay |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 7:55:50 GMT
Back to Islington North, if we accept Rory Stewart's claim: London is 500 villages, Holloway, Highbury etc would have been separate places before the industrial revolution. I'm not sure if Hilmarton and Hillrise were both place names (the first surely was, with the -ton). Gillespie must have been a significant local person. Quadrant and Junction? You can work those out. Upper Holloway and Lower Holloway might have been separate settlements once. Tufnell Park? You know.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 16, 2024 8:10:14 GMT
Back to Islington North, if we accept Rory Stewart's claim: London is 500 villages, Holloway, Highbury etc would have been separate places before the industrial revolution. I'm not sure if Hilmarton and Hillrise were both place names (the first surely was, with the -ton). Gillespie must have been a significant local person. Quadrant and Junction? You can work those out. Upper Holloway and Lower Holloway might have been separate settlements once. Tufnell Park? You know. there's a good YouTube channel called Map Men, they have a series called Unfinished London. It's mostly about the underground but they've got an episode on London boroughs and where they get there name from. Would recommend Also just watched a video by someone else on London's oldest terminus and where they get their names from. He also did one on stations and where they get their names from. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 16, 2024 8:11:10 GMT
Back to Islington North, if we accept Rory Stewart's claim: London is 500 villages, Holloway, Highbury etc would have been separate villages before the industrial revolution. I'm not sure if Hilmarton and Hillrise were both place names (the first surely was). Gillespie must have been a significant local person. Quadrant and Junction? You can work those out for yourselves. Upper Holloway and Lower Holloway might have been separate settlements once. Tufnell Park? Self-explanatory. Hilmarton is in Wiltshire. It'll have made into North London only when the roads were being developed and they needed to come up with names for all of them. Either one of the builders was from there, or they just got out the atlas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 8:12:08 GMT
Back to Islington North, if we accept Rory Stewart's claim: London is 500 villages, Holloway, Highbury etc would have been separate villages before the industrial revolution. I'm not sure if Hilmarton and Hillrise were both place names (the first surely was). Gillespie must have been a significant local person. Quadrant and Junction? You can work those out for yourselves. Upper Holloway and Lower Holloway might have been separate settlements once. Tufnell Park? Self-explanatory. Hilmarton is in Wiltshire. It'll have made into North London only when the roads were being developed and they needed to come up with names for all of them. Either one of the builders was from there, or they just got out the atlas. Thank you. I guess Gillespie was just the name of the builder or a significant local. Hillrise ward has got to be based on geography. Tollington was probably a village. Mildmay is probably a settlement, and could come from weather - mild May? I'd need to look into that one. It may have been the local noble family. Arsenal? Obvious. Tufnell Park used to be called St George's before 2022, which I guess was a parish prior to London axing parishes in 1965 (IIRC) and / or a (surviving?) church. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 16, 2024 8:17:15 GMT
Hilmarton is in Wiltshire. It'll have made into North London only when the roads were being developed and they needed to come up with names for all of them. Either one of the builders was from there, or they just got out the atlas. Thank you. I guess Gillespie was just the name of the builder or a significant local. Hillrise ward has got to be based on geography. Tollington was probably a village. Mildmay is probably a settlement, and could come from weather - mild May? I'd need to look into that one. It may have been the local noble family. Arsenal? Obvious. Now Tollington is actually mentioned as a separate settlement in Domesday book as 'Tolentone'.
Mildmay is a family name from the baronetcy created (latterly) in 1765. All the local references are from the great niece of the second baronet, Jane St John Mildmay.
Cyril Harris's "What's in a name" originally published in 1977 is about tube station names, but gives a lot of this sort of information. Harris revised the contents about twenty years after the original publication. Another book "Why Does a Shepherd Need a Bush" covers a lot of the same ground.
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 16, 2024 8:34:48 GMT
Back to Islington North, if we accept Rory Stewart's claim: London is 500 villages, Holloway, Highbury etc would have been separate villages before the industrial revolution. I'm not sure if Hilmarton and Hillrise were both place names (the first surely was). Gillespie must have been a significant local person. Quadrant and Junction? You can work those out for yourselves. Upper Holloway and Lower Holloway might have been separate settlements once. Tufnell Park? Self-explanatory. Hilmarton is in Wiltshire. It'll have made into North London only when the roads were being developed and they needed to come up with names for all of them. Either one of the builders was from there, or they just got out the atlas. When I worked for Islington council, back in the stone age when councils were still building their own housing, the head of housing had a map in his office, dividing the borough between counties. When a new block of flats was built, the appropriate county was referred to, and a village with a nice name chosen to christen the flats. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 16, 2024 8:45:57 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. There is also a California on the northern outskirts of Great Yarmouth. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 16, 2024 8:47:27 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. There is also a California on the northern outskirts of Great Yarmouth. Considerably less sunny though, I'll warrant. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 16, 2024 8:54:14 GMT
Let us not forget Patna in the old Ayrshire coalfield, to which much the same applies.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 16, 2024 8:54:19 GMT
Hilmarton is in Wiltshire. It'll have made into North London only when the roads were being developed and they needed to come up with names for all of them. Either one of the builders was from there, or they just got out the atlas. When I worked for Islington council, back in the stone age when councils were still building their own housing, the head of housing had a map in his office, dividing the borough between counties. When a new block of flats was built, the appropriate county was referred to, and a village with a nice name chosen to christen the flats. There was a ward called Sussex a while ago. Did that correspond to the area called Sussex on the head of housing's map? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 16, 2024 8:56:00 GMT
Toronto is in County Durham. Hollywood is in Worcestershire just outside Birmingham, and California is in between Harborne and Bartley Green. There is also a California on the northern outskirts of Great Yarmouth. There's a California in Berkshire too - Finchampstead ward but used to be a ward in its own right |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 16, 2024 9:00:39 GMT
When I worked for Islington council, back in the stone age when councils were still building their own housing, the head of housing had a map in his office, dividing the borough between counties. When a new block of flats was built, the appropriate county was referred to, and a village with a nice name chosen to christen the flats. There was a ward called Sussex a while ago. Did that correspond to the area called Sussex on the head of housing's map? It's 50 years ago Pete. There is a long road called Sussex Way in Tollington which would probably have put that part of the borough as Sussex on the map. |
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