East Ham

[rcronald]

Jun 18, 2024 12:36:56 GMT stodge said:

Back to the East Ham election front line and I've seen a second leaflet from Anandkumar Sundar to give him his proper title, the Independent candidate.

It consists of six pledges as follows:

Reducing the Cost of Living Crisis
Starting More Skilled Centres for the Youth
Tackling crimes and Anti-Social Behaviour
Recognising Palestine as an Independent State
Bringing Back Grammar Schools
Reduce the waiting time by increasing Doctors and Nurses at Newham Hospital

Not a word on how any of these pledges are to be achieved. Two or three of them are within the Council's purview not the Government and as an Indpendent MP he can recognise whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.

The bringing back Grammar Schools pledge is interesting.

[The Bishop]

Which should arguably be more accurately phrased "Bring Back Secondary Moderns", given that is what it actually means

[finsobruce]

Jun 18, 2024 12:49:12 GMT stodge said:

Now, we've had the opening leaflet from one Satish Mohan Ramadoss.

His recipe for all our problems is:

Our NHS is the pride of our nation. Necessary actions will be taken to reduce appointment waiting time
Improvise safeguarding for all local school children and youth apprentices
Affordable housing is a Right not a Privilege
Tackling crime and anti-social behaviour with more Visible Policing
Enhance Youth Training Centres for Young Skilled Apprentices
Supporting local businesses, Charities & Causes

I presume improvise should be improve?

[No Offence Alan]

Jun 18, 2024 13:03:17 GMT The Bishop said:

Which should arguably be more accurately phrased "Bring Back Secondary Moderns", given that is what it actually means

A bit like the tie-breaker if two football teams finish equal on goal difference which should be phrased as "the team who concedes more goals will be the winner".

[Tony Otim]

Jun 18, 2024 13:03:38 GMT finsobruce said:

Jun 18, 2024 12:49:12 GMT stodge said:

Now, we've had the opening leaflet from one Satish Mohan Ramadoss.

His recipe for all our problems is:

Our NHS is the pride of our nation. Necessary actions will be taken to reduce appointment waiting time
Improvise safeguarding for all local school children and youth apprentices
Affordable housing is a Right not a Privilege
Tackling crime and anti-social behaviour with more Visible Policing
Enhance Youth Training Centres for Young Skilled Apprentices
Supporting local businesses, Charities & Causes

I presume improvise should be improve?

I don't know, in some cases improvise may be far more accurate

[finsobruce]

Jun 18, 2024 13:49:00 GMT Tony Otim said:

Jun 18, 2024 13:03:38 GMT finsobruce said:

I presume improvise should be improve?

I don't know, in some cases improvise may be far more accurate

Unfortunately correct tony, unfortunately correct.

[right]

It's that a Corbyn endorsement I see before me?

electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19451/

[finsobruce]

Jun 18, 2024 14:07:23 GMT right said:

It's that a Corbyn endorsement I see before me?

electionleaflets.org/leaflets/19451/

I suspect he's using those without permission, but I also suspect that Corbyn won't sue him for unauthorised usage.

[stodge]

Yes, the Mirza leaflets were being handed out at East Ham underground station last week.

As for today's offerings, what I have written is a direct lift from what is on the leaflet - the wording is the candidate's.

I don't know if they have produced Hindi or Tamil versions of these leaflets - I suspect so. There seems little or no evidence of any proof reading of the English language version.

[stodge]

The pace of the election has gone up a notch this morning.

We had our hand delivered personalised leaflet from Sir Stephen Timms - actually we got our next door neighbour's as they were delivered to the wrong house.

Looked glossy and reasonable - very much more about the candidate.

Another leaflet has appeared from Tahir Mirza - it's an onslaught on Starmer and there's an election hustings in Plashet tonight which may be entertaining. It's been organised by the Newham Palestine Solidarity Campaign so might be some fireworks.

I've also seen quite a good leaflet from one Stephen Hedley who is standing as an Independent Socialist & Anti-Genocide candidate in Stratford & Bow.

[batman]

Steve Hedley is an RMT union man who has frequently been on the radar of us at Socialists Against Antisemitism. Though of course there will be a few here who can see nothing wrong with him

[iang]

Jun 18, 2024 12:36:56 GMT stodge said:

Back to the East Ham election front line and I've seen a second leaflet from Anandkumar Sundar to give him his proper title, the Independent candidate.

It consists of six pledges as follows:

Reducing the Cost of Living Crisis
Starting More Skilled Centres for the Youth
Tackling crimes and Anti-Social Behaviour
Recognising Palestine as an Independent State
Bringing Back Grammar Schools
Reduce the waiting time by increasing Doctors and Nurses at Newham Hospital

Not a word on how any of these pledges are to be achieved. Two or three of them are within the Council's purview not the Government and as an Indpendent MP he can recognise whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.

Similarly, the WP leaflet in Birmingham Yardley attacks Jess Philipps for not solving the housing crisis, and confidently states that Jody McIntyre will

[Deleted]

Can the independent win this? Would this be like Bethnal Green & Bow 2005?

[The Bishop]

Of course they *can* win, simply through being a candidate to vote for at this election.

What you are actually asking, of course, is if they *will* win.

Sorry not sorry

[batman]

Jun 26, 2024 9:35:20 GMT @weld said:

Can the independent win this? Would this be like Bethnal Green & Bow 2005?

no, please stop wasting our valuable time ramping every single independent Tom Dick or Harry

[Deleted]

Jun 26, 2024 14:39:05 GMT batman said:

Jun 26, 2024 9:35:20 GMT @weld said:

Can the independent win this? Would this be like Bethnal Green & Bow 2005?

no, please stop wasting our valuable time ramping every single independent Tom Dick or Harry

Just here to broaden the debate

[greenhert]

Jun 26, 2024 9:35:20 GMT @weld said:

Can the independent win this? Would this be like Bethnal Green & Bow 2005?

Virtually no chance -this constituency is monolithically Labour. Respect did not even come close here in 2005 despite coming a clear second.

[stodge]

Yes, Sir Stephen Timms will win comfortably with around 70% of the vote. I expect Tahir Mirza to finish second with 10% followed by Conservative, Reform, Green, LD and the other two Independents.

With a week to go, we've had the address from Labour only. I've seen the Reform election address but not had it delivered - nothing from either the Conservatives, Greens or the LDs.

[batman]

Jun 26, 2024 15:53:16 GMT @weld said:

Jun 26, 2024 14:39:05 GMT batman said:

no, please stop wasting our valuable time ramping every single independent Tom Dick or Harry

Just here to broaden the debate

there is no point in a debate about East Ham (my former constituency - I was Chair of Wall End branch Labour Party in the late 80s/early 90s). Yes I know that independents have had a bit of success in council by-elections, but Timms is actually really well-regarded locally & will have a very large majority - even if probably slightly reduced. 

[Johncrane]

Jun 26, 2024 17:50:05 GMT stodge said:

Yes, Sir Stephen Timms will win comfortably with around 70% of the vote. I expect Tahir Mirza to finish second with 10% followed by Conservative, Reform, Green, LD and the other two Independents.

With a week to go, we've had the address from Labour only. I've seen the Reform election address but not had it delivered - nothing from either the Conservatives, Greens or the LDs.

I agree with the overall sentiment that Labour aren’t going to lose this but I think 70% is too high tbh I think the “ Gaza backlash” might be similar to the 2005 election where he got 54%