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Jun 17, 2024 13:50:47 GMT
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Post by Johncrane on Jun 17, 2024 13:50:47 GMT
To add to the election buzz we've now had a leaflet from Anand Kumar Sundar by which I mean I've seen a leaflet. Haven't actually got one myself yet - I suspect he was doing the tube station yesterday evening or this morning. Nothing yet from Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrat, Green or Reform. What did Anand Kumar’s leaflet say? Am I right in assuming that he’s not a “Gaza independent” like Tahir Mirza? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 14:23:03 GMT
Yes, and not only that but a lot of Muslims in Oldham as well as Newham. Maybe they thought moving into these Haram places would help them fit in.
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Jun 17, 2024 14:26:02 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Jun 17, 2024 14:26:02 GMT
Yes, and not only that but a lot of Muslims in Oldham as well as Newham. Maybe they thought moving into these Haram places would help them fit in. Maybe they wanted to cleanse the place of its haram history. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 14:27:05 GMT
Yes, and not only that but a lot of Muslims in Oldham as well as Newham. Maybe they thought moving into these Haram places would help them fit in. Maybe they wanted to cleanse the place of its haram history. Out with the Old(ham) and in with the New(ham). |
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 15:10:37 GMT
Why on earth would Labour bring in Primaries ? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever . It's more democratic. You don't get fuck ups like what happened in Chingford & Woodford Green? CLPs aren't very representative in some cases. If we had a primary in Brighton Pavilion, I believe Eddie Izzard would have won the nomination and defeated carpetbagger Sian Berry in the General Election. My friend in Hove says so. so why should anyone join a political party? And what on earth do you mean about Izzard & Berry? They're in different parties. Please, please, no primaries here. |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 17, 2024 15:18:32 GMT
It's more democratic. You don't get fuck ups like what happened in Chingford & Woodford Green? CLPs aren't very representative in some cases. If we had a primary in Brighton Pavilion, I believe Eddie Izzard would have won the nomination and defeated carpetbagger Sian Berry in the General Election. My friend in Hove says so. so why should anyone join a political party? And what on earth do you mean about Izzard & Berry? They're in different parties. Please, please, no primaries here. The fact that Izzard and Berry are in different parties is the whole point which @weld was making. His theory is that if the Labour Party had had an open primary to select its candidate, Eddie Izzard would have won the selection because of his down-to-earth modesty and common-sense man-of-the-people image, and therefore be in a better position to defeat the Green Party in the actual election. Whether you agree with @weld’s theory is a different matter… |
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 17, 2024 15:48:15 GMT
1. In all parties primaries would lead to unsuitable candidates being selected, and C&WG is a very good example of where that would happen 2. The primary system in the US completely disproves your assertion that they are necessarily "more democratic" Another argument against primaries is the cost. Who is expected to pay for them ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2024 18:14:22 GMT
1. In all parties primaries would lead to unsuitable candidates being selected, and C&WG is a very good example of where that would happen 2. The primary system in the US completely disproves your assertion that they are necessarily "more democratic" Another argument against primaries is the cost. Who is expected to pay for them ? Political parties. |
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 17, 2024 18:32:29 GMT
Another argument against primaries is the cost. Who is expected to pay for them ? Political parties. Waste of both time and money . |
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Jun 17, 2024 18:32:34 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Jun 17, 2024 18:32:34 GMT
Another argument against primaries is the cost. Who is expected to pay for them ? Political parties. So more influence for the oligarchs and corrupt unions? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 17, 2024 18:52:42 GMT
Waste of both time and money . I agree political parties are as you say.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 17, 2024 20:12:14 GMT
My friend in Hove says so. I believe we should adopt this as the official Forum form of words to justify any political prediction. "If elected, George Galloway will defect to Plaid Cymru. My friend in Kidwelly says so." |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 17, 2024 20:17:47 GMT
Maybe they wanted to cleanse the place of its haram history. Out with the Old(ham) and in with the New(ham). The 'ham' in placenames, of course, has nothing to do with pigmeat but is derived from proto-German via middle English words meaning home or estate. |
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2024 20:20:59 GMT
That is indeed true, but Oldham Athletic were represented by a ham in old cigarette cards.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 17, 2024 21:52:56 GMT
My friend in Hove says so. I believe we should adopt this as the official Forum form of words to justify any political prediction. "If elected, George Galloway will defect to Plaid Cymru. My friend in Kidwelly says so."For similar purposes I quite often use the source issoti simbt. (“it says so on the internet, so it must be true”) |
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Post by maxque on Jun 17, 2024 22:22:18 GMT
The selection procedures of the Labour Party are, broadly speaking, not the business of people who do not like the Labour Party. As we learnt at a Conference a few years ago, it's not the business of the Conference either, but purely in the hands of a bureaucrat who has been elected by no one and is accountable to no one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 2:52:47 GMT
so why should anyone join a political party? And what on earth do you mean about Izzard & Berry? They're in different parties. Please, please, no primaries here. The fact that Izzard and Berry are in different parties is the whole point which @weld was making. His theory is that if the Labour Party had had an open primary to select its candidate, Eddie Izzard would have won the selection because of his down-to-earth modesty and common-sense man-of-the-people image, and therefore be in a better position to defeat the Green Party in the actual election. 100%. If we had primaries, I'm pretty certain that Caroline Lucas would be a Labour MP, and Carla Denyer a primary challenger in Bristol Central's Labour primary. |
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Post by stodge on Jun 18, 2024 12:36:56 GMT
Back to the East Ham election front line and I've seen a second leaflet from Anandkumar Sundar to give him his proper title, the Independent candidate.
It consists of six pledges as follows:
Reducing the Cost of Living Crisis
Starting More Skilled Centres for the Youth
Tackling crimes and Anti-Social Behaviour
Recognising Palestine as an Independent State
Bringing Back Grammar Schools
Reduce the waiting time by increasing Doctors and Nurses at Newham Hospital
Not a word on how any of these pledges are to be achieved. Two or three of them are within the Council's purview not the Government and as an Indpendent MP he can recognise whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 18, 2024 12:44:46 GMT
Back to the East Ham election front line and I've seen a second leaflet from Anandkumar Sundar to give him his proper title, the Independent candidate. It consists of six pledges as follows: Reducing the Cost of Living Crisis
Starting More Skilled Centres for the Youth
Tackling crimes and Anti-Social Behaviour
Recognising Palestine as an Independent State
Bringing Back Grammar Schools
Reduce the waiting time by increasing Doctors and Nurses at Newham Hospital
Not a word on how any of these pledges are to be achieved. Two or three of them are within the Council's purview not the Government and as an Indpendent MP he can recognise whatever he likes as far as I'm concerned. The luxury of being an Independent candidate, or being a candidate of a party which only has a few candidates, is that one can indicate policy preferences as a guide to how one will vote as an MP in divisions in the House of Commons. The details of how things are funded, or how they will work in detail, can be done by the government. |
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Post by stodge on Jun 18, 2024 12:49:12 GMT
Now, we've had the opening leaflet from one Satish Mohan Ramadoss.
His recipe for all our problems is:
Our NHS is the pride of our nation. Necessary actions will be taken to reduce appointment waiting time
Improvise safeguarding for all local school children and youth apprentices
Affordable housing is a Right not a Privilege
Tackling crime and anti-social behaviour with more Visible Policing
Enhance Youth Training Centres for Young Skilled Apprentices
Supporting local businesses, Charities & Causes
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