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Post by The Bishop on Oct 9, 2024 10:37:52 GMT
You reminded me that Jacob Rees-Mogg’s sister(?) lost in 2010 in Somerton & Frome. I think she didn’t want to go by Nancy instead of her full name. Of course he’s now out of Parliament. Jack Straw’s lost in Rosendale & Darwen in 2015, IIRC. Jack Straw also quit Parliament that year under a cloud along with Malcolm Rifkind. Feels like a lifetime ago. Will Straw could have got a safe seat, but he seems to prefer the Kings Trust (eg Princes Trust). Given his key role in the totally catastrophic official Remain campaign in 2016, it is perhaps for the best that he remains mostly out of the public eye. |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 9, 2024 11:01:13 GMT
Will Straw could have got a safe seat, but he seems to prefer the Kings Trust (eg Princes Trust). Given his key role in the totally catastrophic official Remain campaign in 2016, it is perhaps for the best that he remains mostly out of the public eye. Wasn't it just him though! The Remain campaign was hopeless, Cameron and Alan Johnson were the worst! |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 9, 2024 11:30:42 GMT
We all have our own biases. I don't like dynasty politicians much. But I have a pro-Oxbridge bias. So it's about checking that, possibly. I can judge MPs on merit. Why? |
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Post by sanders on Oct 9, 2024 11:31:59 GMT
We all have our own biases. I don't like dynasty politicians much. But I have a pro-Oxbridge bias. So it's about checking that, possibly. I can judge MPs on merit. Why? Just the way I was raised. |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Oct 9, 2024 16:05:31 GMT
We all have our own biases. I don't like dynasty politicians much. But I have a pro- Oxbridge bias. So it's about checking that, possibly. I can judge MPs on merit. With a further bias within that to the first syllable rather than the second, possibly?  British politics certainly manages that - in the current cabinet, there are over twice as many graduates with first degrees from Oxford (with a majority of those from a well-known single course) than there are from Cambridge, with graduates of the two universities taken together still accounting for about 40% of the total. But I would be rather surprised if any other recent cabinet has shown significantly less of this bias. |
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Post by aargauer on Oct 9, 2024 17:01:17 GMT
I don't understand how anyone who has been there could come to the conclusion it means anything.
Selection is a lucky dip.
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Post by john07 on Oct 9, 2024 18:25:14 GMT
Just the way I was raised. That sounds like a load of bullshit to me. Just saying! |
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Post by sanders on Oct 9, 2024 18:27:07 GMT
I don't understand how anyone who has been there could come to the conclusion it means anything. Selection is a lucky dip. I'm gradually learning that it doesn’t. It wasn’t the silver bullet lol. I really thought it would be. Graduating jobless in 2019 - real eye-opener. Still looking for a full-time role. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Oct 9, 2024 18:40:53 GMT
Will Straw could have got a safe seat, but he seems to prefer the Kings Trust (eg Princes Trust). Given his key role in the totally catastrophic official Remain campaign in 2016, it is perhaps for the best that he remains mostly out of the public eye. well i found it 'well run'! |
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Post by where2travel on Oct 9, 2024 19:25:32 GMT
Surely a strategic error to win this new seat by just under 13,000 votes and to lose the seat next door by 302 votes? Labour activists were not allowed to transfer into Bromley and Biggin Hill at all. There was a small skeleton team with the candidate only in B&BH as far as Im aware from social media and talking to Labour colleagues (Im a LibDem cllr in Bromley) This seems a weird decision given the hundreds of campaigners pouring into Beckenham in the final stretch of the campaign and on polling day. The Mayor of London was here a number of times for example. Labour called for a recount in B&BH but only got a bundle check There was no question of a Labour win here in B&P, so it's bizarre that was the instruction to Labour activists to focus their time here. What I'm most surprised about is the "hundreds of campaigners pouring into Beckenham". I've never seen less evidence of a GE campaign at any time than I saw in Beckenham this time round. Maybe they were targetting specific constituents or areas, but I'd have thought Copers Cope ward would be the best place to start (with electoral changes now happening quicker here, it being more densely populated and with more people passing through the High Street and its multiple stations than elsewhere). |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 10, 2024 11:02:13 GMT
Given his key role in the totally catastrophic official Remain campaign in 2016, it is perhaps for the best that he remains mostly out of the public eye. Wasn't it just him though! The Remain campaign was hopeless, Cameron and Alan Johnson were the worst! No it wasn't just him, and you are also right about (Alan) Johnson being totally useless as the head of Labour's remain "campaign". The response from them all after the result was to blame Corbyn, of course. Even if you think he could also have done more, this was always totally ridiculous. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 10, 2024 11:05:20 GMT
Wasn't it just him though! The Remain campaign was hopeless, Cameron and Alan Johnson were the worst! No it wasn't just him, and you are also right about (Alan) Johnson being totally useless as the head of Labour's remain "campaign". The response from them all after the result was to blame Corbyn, of course. Even if you think he could also have done more, this was always totally ridiculous. ‘Twas the product, not the salesmen. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 10, 2024 11:08:18 GMT
Up to a point, m'lud.
Give that the result was still pretty close, its not unreasonable to think better strategy and tactics from the pro-remainers could have swung it.
Certainly some of the proposed - but rejected - campaign material for Remain might have been more effective than the insipid stuff they did put out.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Oct 10, 2024 11:10:27 GMT
Wasn't it just him though! The Remain campaign was hopeless, Cameron and Alan Johnson were the worst! No it wasn't just him, and you are also right about (Alan) Johnson being totally useless as the head of Labour's remain "campaign". The response from them all after the result was to blame Corbyn, of course. Even if you think he could also have done more, this was always totally ridiculous. I've always liked Alan Johnson so his uselessness was good in this context |
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Post by sanders on Oct 10, 2024 11:38:45 GMT
Up to a point, m'lud. Give that the result was still pretty close, its not unreasonable to think better strategy and tactics from the pro-remainers could have swung it. Certainly some of the proposed - but rejected - campaign material for Remain might have been more effective than the insipid stuff they did put out. Corbyn backing Leave would’ve helped Remain. |
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Post by redtony on Oct 12, 2024 20:15:37 GMT
no if the corbyn labour party led an anti tory ukip, socialist leave campaign the leave vote would have won by a much bigger margin
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 13, 2024 9:17:40 GMT
Lexit was never a viable prospect in reality.
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Post by sanders on Oct 13, 2024 9:26:38 GMT
Lexit was never a viable prospect in reality. It would’ve been more entertaining viewing. Left-wing Labour supporting a workers’ Brexit. Neoliberal Tories supporting the status quo. |
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Post by john07 on Oct 13, 2024 10:12:11 GMT
Lexit was never a viable prospect in reality. It would’ve been more entertaining viewing. Left-wing Labour supporting a workers’ Brexit. Neoliberal Tories supporting the status quo. You obviously weren’t around in 1975. |
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Post by sanders on Oct 13, 2024 10:54:54 GMT
It would’ve been more entertaining viewing. Left-wing Labour supporting a workers’ Brexit. Neoliberal Tories supporting the status quo. You obviously weren’t around in 1975. I’m guessing that you were then? That was a much better campaign. I’ve seen Thatcher clips from them. |
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British politics certainly manages that - in the current cabinet, there are over twice as many graduates with first degrees from Oxford (with a majority of those from a well-known single course) than there are from Cambridge, with graduates of the two universities taken together still accounting for about 40% of the total.