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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 15, 2024 16:53:23 GMT
This result throws up a question. How many MPs have been Chairmen of top flight football clubs? I know Geoffrey Robinson was Chairman of Coventry City but I don't think that was when they were in the Premier League. David Bellotti was once CEO of Brighton & Hove Albion. He was as popular with Brighton fans as Lowe is with Southampton fans. |
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Post by right on Jul 15, 2024 16:55:14 GMT
This result throws up a question. How many MPs have been Chairmen of top flight football clubs? I know Geoffrey Robinson was Chairman of Coventry City but I don't think that was when they were in the Premier League. David Bellotti was once CEO of Brighton & Hove Albion. He was as popular with Brighton fans as Lowe is with Southampton fans. Well he got the position originally because he was popular in the aftermath of the Eastbourne by-election and his 1992 defeat. He was seen as the sort of person who just carries on. |
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Post by batman on Jul 15, 2024 17:34:27 GMT
This result throws up a question. How many MPs have been Chairmen of top flight football clubs? I know Geoffrey Robinson was Chairman of Coventry City but I don't think that was when they were in the Premier League. Jack Dunnett was (I think) chair of Notts County when they were in the old First Division. you are correct. I hadn't remembered them being in the top flight at all, but apparently they were for several years. |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Jul 15, 2024 17:34:28 GMT
This result throws up a question. How many MPs have been Chairmen of top flight football clubs? I know Geoffrey Robinson was Chairman of Coventry City but I don't think that was when they were in the Premier League. David Evans was a controversial Chairman of Luton Town while they were in the First Division and Welwyn Hatfield's MP for part of that time. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 15, 2024 17:39:10 GMT
I forgot that Ed Balls was Chairman of Norwich City and that the first few months of that was as a Premier League club in 2015-16.
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Post by islington on Jul 15, 2024 18:22:03 GMT
This result throws up a question. How many MPs have been Chairmen of top flight football clubs? I know Geoffrey Robinson was Chairman of Coventry City but I don't think that was when they were in the Premier League. David Evans was a controversial Chairman of Luton Town while they were in the First Division and Welwyn Hatfield's MP for part of that time. This wasn't his only sporting credential: according to him, he'd played first-class cricket and proclaimed this publicly more than once.
He's one of three men of some standing in public life that I have heard make a similar claim, but without foundation.
It prompts me to wonder two things. - Is this an indication that Walter Mitty tendencies are common among public men?
- Do they not realize that such a statement can be very easily checked?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2024 18:38:53 GMT
This result throws up a question. How many MPs have been Chairmen of top flight football clubs? I know Geoffrey Robinson was Chairman of Coventry City but I don't think that was when they were in the Premier League. Maxwell was chairman of both Oxford and Derby. David Evans was chairman of Luton Town at the height of their success. Ed Balls had a spell at Norwich. But the winner is surely Brian Mawhinney, who was chairman of the entire Football League. Further afield, Mauricio Macri, Jesus Gil y Gil, Silvio Berlusconi, Bernard Tapie... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 18:47:54 GMT
It's very interesting that Reform won this seat and not Castle Point which was by far and away better for them and had more Tory voters to eat into. I wonder if there was a 'Farage in Clacton' affect.
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 15, 2024 18:59:40 GMT
It's very interesting that Reform won this seat and not Castle Point which was by far and away better for them and had more Tory voters to eat into. I wonder if there was a 'Farage in Clacton' affect. The Conservative vote is marginally stronger in Castle Point and the incumbent MP was restanding which probably helped the blue team there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 19:02:25 GMT
It's very interesting that Reform won this seat and not Castle Point which was by far and away better for them and had more Tory voters to eat into. I wonder if there was a 'Farage in Clacton' affect. The Conservative vote is marginally stronger in Castle Point and the incumbent MP was restanding which probably helped the blue team there. True, and Castle Point is a Tory fortress really, or a Tory Castle if you while. From their vantage Point they can see right wing threats from far away. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 15, 2024 21:49:22 GMT
It's very interesting that Reform won this seat and not Castle Point which was by far and away better for them and had more Tory voters to eat into. I wonder if there was a 'Farage in Clacton' affect. The Conservative vote is marginally stronger in Castle Point and the incumbent MP was restanding which probably helped the blue team there. Not knowing the area well, is it one of those areas where Farage can't quite cut through? Very right-wing but...he's not quite respectable? |
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Post by certain on Jul 15, 2024 21:57:52 GMT
I forgot that Ed Balls was Chairman of Norwich City and that the first few months of that was as a Premier League club in 2015-16. Sat in his seat at Carrow Road a few weeks ago. Just thought I'd tell you all that. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 15, 2024 22:49:35 GMT
In the end Farage is controversial enough that there's a fairly hard cap on how well any of his vehicles can do in a GE in any given constituency (exactly where will vary, of course), which means it will always be a lot easier to win in constituencies where the vote share needed to win is quite low.
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Post by right on Jul 16, 2024 4:51:13 GMT
In the end Farage is controversial enough that there's a fairly hard cap on how well any of his vehicles can do in a GE in any given constituency (exactly where will vary, of course), which means it will always be a lot easier to win in constituencies where the vote share needed to win is quite low. It's quite easy to see circumstances where that ceiling could rise dramatically, particularly with a Labour government and a Conservative Party that finds it hard to get its act together. |
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Post by noorderling on Jul 16, 2024 5:29:45 GMT
In the end Farage is controversial enough that there's a fairly hard cap on how well any of his vehicles can do in a GE in any given constituency (exactly where will vary, of course), which means it will always be a lot easier to win in constituencies where the vote share needed to win is quite low. I used to think that of Wilders. High support may not be necessary. If the current splintering of voters continues, it’s possible to win a significant number of MP’s on 30 to 35% of the vote in a constituency. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 5:43:56 GMT
In the end Farage is controversial enough that there's a fairly hard cap on how well any of his vehicles can do in a GE in any given constituency (exactly where will vary, of course), which means it will always be a lot easier to win in constituencies where the vote share needed to win is quite low. Yes, although the RN in France recently did a lot better than Reform did here, and got over 30%. I worry it's naïveté to think there's a a 'fairly hard cap' on how well his vehicles can do in a GE. If the Conservatives elect Tom Tugendhat then that is a fillip (in all likelihood) for Farage's party. We may also see some high profile defections. |
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Post by right on Jul 16, 2024 5:56:30 GMT
In the end Farage is controversial enough that there's a fairly hard cap on how well any of his vehicles can do in a GE in any given constituency (exactly where will vary, of course), which means it will always be a lot easier to win in constituencies where the vote share needed to win is quite low. Yes, although the RN in France recently did a lot better than Reform did here, and got over 30%. I worry it's naïveté to think there's a a 'fairly hard cap' on how well his vehicles can do in a GE. If the Conservatives elect Tom Tugendhat then that is a fillip (in all likelihood) for Farage's party. We may also see some high profile defections. And Farage and particularly his party do not have the fascist associations of RN |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 5:59:19 GMT
Yes, although the RN in France recently did a lot better than Reform did here, and got over 30%. I worry it's naïveté to think there's a a 'fairly hard cap' on how well his vehicles can do in a GE. If the Conservatives elect Tom Tugendhat then that is a fillip (in all likelihood) for Farage's party. We may also see some high profile defections. And Farage and particularly his party do not have the fascist associations of RN Indeed. To many people, Nigel Farage MP, like Jeremy Clarkson, is someone they'd relish the chance to go for beers (and / or a fag) with and shoot the shit |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 16, 2024 7:27:33 GMT
In the end Farage is controversial enough that there's a fairly hard cap on how well any of his vehicles can do in a GE in any given constituency (exactly where will vary, of course), which means it will always be a lot easier to win in constituencies where the vote share needed to win is quite low. It's quite easy to see circumstances where that ceiling could rise dramatically, particularly with a Labour government and a Conservative Party that finds it hard to get its act together. That doesn't make any sense at all to me? |
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Post by right on Jul 16, 2024 8:10:42 GMT
It's quite easy to see circumstances where that ceiling could rise dramatically, particularly with a Labour government and a Conservative Party that finds it hard to get its act together. That doesn't make any sense at all to me? There is currently a ceiling on Reform UK's vote above which it will not rise, which is around about one in five of the population. However a Labour government is likely to annoy many voters and so that ceiling could become much higher. And if the Conservative Party decides to become a more expensively educated version of the Lib Dems then a lot of those voters may look to Reform instead of defaulting to the main opposition as they usually would. |
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