john07
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Jun 3, 2024 20:17:49 GMT
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Post by john07 on Jun 3, 2024 20:17:49 GMT
So Farage only took over as Reform leader today, also seems to be effectively leading the Conservatives as well? |
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 3, 2024 20:19:05 GMT
Nothing shines out like a beacon of democracy more than the effective 'owner' of a Limited Company deciding one day that he's bored and just boots out the current "leader" without a by your leave; and of course could impose any policy he likes on the party at a whim, choose or deselect candidates as he so desires and do whatever the hell he likes.
Nope, definitely not a massive vanity project!
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Post by observer on Jun 3, 2024 20:23:21 GMT
Farage doesn't half show his opponents up as shallow . All personality stuff and abuse
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Post by froome on Jun 3, 2024 20:30:44 GMT
Murder on the Greater Anglia Express The Mysterious Affair at Jaywick. Jaywick is a mystery anyway. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 3, 2024 20:30:57 GMT
Nothing shines out like a beacon of democracy more than the effective 'owner' of a Limited Company deciding one day that he's bored and just boots out the current "leader" without a by your leave; and of course could impose any policy he likes on the party at a whim, choose or deselect candidates as he so desires and do whatever the hell he likes. Nope, definitely not a massive vanity project! Even if you're right, and I don't think you are, there is a reason he succeeds despite all you say. It's because around 20% of the electorate feels so ignored by the traditional parties that he and his party is still the best option. To many he gives hope where others politicians just turn off the lights and fart your face. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2024 20:53:41 GMT
This is worth watching for those who haven't seen it. Also, Farage is more popular with Tories than Sunak.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 3, 2024 21:08:34 GMT
Nothing shines out like a beacon of democracy more than the effective 'owner' of a Limited Company deciding one day that he's bored and just boots out the current "leader" without a by your leave; and of course could impose any policy he likes on the party at a whim, choose or deselect candidates as he so desires and do whatever the hell he likes. Nope, definitely not a massive vanity project! Even if you're right, and I don't think you are, there is a reason he succeeds despite all you say. It's because around 20% of the electorate feels so ignored by the traditional parties that he and his party is still the best option. To many he gives hope where others politicians just turn off the lights and fart your face. Though I get where you're coming from, this is mostly complete bobbins. Much like Trump, Farage has weaponised nostalgia and turned it into a grift. He's not a man of the people, he's a wealthy ex-banker who can travel the world and get the ear of similarly wealthy people, and he did so wearing the mask of "the bloke down the pub." Brexit was his baby through manipulation and scare stories, the consequences of which will be felt for years to come. Like Trump, he's a trader in grievance and revenge, and we know from the quote he gave The Times in March that he's got no actual interest in being an MP. He's just a chaos agent. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 3, 2024 21:10:59 GMT
This is worth watching for those who haven't seen it. Also, Farage is more popular with Tories than Sunak. Farage wins Clacton. Becomes leader of rump collection of Trussian/Badenochite extremists Turns party into "Reform Conservatives" Any sane moderate leaves to LDs or Labour Sky doesn't immediately fall though cracks do start to appear when Lord Johnson of Partygate is made Minister for Crackdowns. |
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Post by observer on Jun 3, 2024 21:16:38 GMT
Even if you're right, and I don't think you are, there is a reason he succeeds despite all you say. It's because around 20% of the electorate feels so ignored by the traditional parties that he and his party is still the best option. To many he gives hope where others politicians just turn off the lights and fart your face. Though I get where you're coming from, this is mostly complete bobbins. Much like Trump, Farage has weaponised nostalgia and turned it into a grift. He's not a man of the people, he's a wealthy ex-banker who can travel the world and get the ear of similarly wealthy people, and he did so wearing the mask of "the bloke down the pub." Brexit was his baby through manipulation and scare stories, the consequences of which will be felt for years to come. Like Trump, he's a trader in grievance and revenge, and we know from the quote he gave The Times in March that he's got no actual interest in being an MP. He's just a chaos agent. What you call 'nostalgia' is actually a belief in nation-state democracy, of freedom of speech and association, equality before the law etc etc A true belief in the values of liberal democracy. . unlike the fake party that has usurped the name. Odd that some 'Liberal Democrats' hate him so. Is it because he displays their betrayal of liberalism in such stark relief? Embarrassing. |
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Post by monksfield on Jun 3, 2024 21:25:17 GMT
This is worth watching for those who haven't seen it. Also, Farage is more popular with Tories than Sunak. Of course he is. He’s a white male golf club bore. Exactly what whets your average Tory member. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 3, 2024 21:27:18 GMT
Though I get where you're coming from, this is mostly complete bobbins. Much like Trump, Farage has weaponised nostalgia and turned it into a grift. He's not a man of the people, he's a wealthy ex-banker who can travel the world and get the ear of similarly wealthy people, and he did so wearing the mask of "the bloke down the pub." Brexit was his baby through manipulation and scare stories, the consequences of which will be felt for years to come. Like Trump, he's a trader in grievance and revenge, and we know from the quote he gave The Times in March that he's got no actual interest in being an MP. He's just a chaos agent. What you call 'nostalgia' is actually a belief in nation-state democracy, of freedom of speech and association, equality before the law etc etc A true belief in the values of liberal democracy. . unlike the fake party that has usurped the name. Odd that some 'Liberal Democrats' hate him so. Is it because he displays their betrayal of liberalism in such stark relief? Embarrassing. He doesn't believe in nation state democracy any more than I believe in aliens from the planet Zog. He's a wealthy chum of the elite who hates everything the UK truly is. He hates freedom of speech, remember the "enemies of the state" stuff about the Brexit court cases? We all know what he truly is, there's a direct line from Nick Griffin to Nigel Farage, wrapping themselves in the Union Jack, wanting to shut down debate, silence critics, and get rich from the fools who funded UKIP, Brexit Party, and now Reform Plc. |
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Post by right on Jun 3, 2024 21:29:20 GMT
This is worth watching for those who haven't seen it. Also, Farage is more popular with Tories than Sunak. Of course he is. He’s a white male golf club bore. Exactly what whets your average Tory member. Golf club types don't warm to Farage, even the UKIPy ones His fans are lower down the scale |
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 3, 2024 21:34:56 GMT
I really hope the result is
30% Labour + 1 vote
30% Farage
30% Tory
5% LD
5% Green
In that order! I could die happy
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Post by batman on Jun 3, 2024 21:35:24 GMT
So he can just announce that he is party leader, and that's it? Nobody else including Richard Tice gets a say in it? I mean, it's none of my business I guess, but that's pretty odd. I guess as it is a limited company & not a political party in the traditional sense this is open to him.
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Post by batman on Jun 3, 2024 21:36:03 GMT
I really hope the result is 30% Labour + 1 vote 30% Farage 30% Tory 5% LD 5% Green In that order! I could die happy you're a little young to be talking about dying! |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 3, 2024 21:36:22 GMT
I see Galloway is now going to Court over not having been invited to tomorrow's Party Leader debate! I would have thought he has as much entitlement as Farage to being included in the multiparty debate. Threatening legal action is a standard part of Galloway’s repertoire. Leader debates have no constitutional basis and are a recent innovation in UK terms and, of course, we don’t elect a prime minister. The element that is covered is of balance in broadcasting and there are a variety of ways in which this can be achieved. It would clearly be unreasonable (and make for a poor programme) if a representative of every contesting party were represented in a debate. I’d imagine that it will be left to broadcasters with appropriate space being given to parties missed and I’d be surprised if there were much basis to challenge in law that approach. |
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right
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Clacton
Jun 3, 2024 21:37:18 GMT
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Post by right on Jun 3, 2024 21:37:18 GMT
I really hope the result is 30% Labour + 1 vote 30% Farage 30% Tory 5% LD 5% Green In that order! I could die happy Why's everyone thinking that Farage solely took lumps out of the Tories? |
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Jun 3, 2024 21:37:50 GMT
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Post by edgbaston on Jun 3, 2024 21:37:50 GMT
I really hope the result is 30% Labour + 1 vote 30% Farage 30% Tory 5% LD 5% Green In that order! I could die happy you're a little young to be talking about dying! The humiliation of Farage would bring joy to last a lifetime. Sadly I don’t think it is likely |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 3, 2024 21:39:42 GMT
Leader debates have no constitutional basis and are a recent innovation in UK terms and, of course, we don’t elect a prime minister. Nor do umpteen other parliamentary democracies that have had them for years if not decades. And we've had elections fought as national tussles based on the supporters of particular leaders since at least 1784. |
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Post by froome on Jun 3, 2024 21:45:56 GMT
So he can just announce that he is party leader, and that's it? Nobody else including Richard Tice gets a say in it? I mean, it's none of my business I guess, but that's pretty odd. I guess as it is a limited company & not a political party in the traditional sense this is open to him. I do wonder whether Farage's announcement was as much of a surprise to Tice as to everyone else. Did he even get told? And as for the candidate who was standing in Clacton, I doubt whether Farage even knew who it was. |
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