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Post by finsobruce on Jun 3, 2024 17:34:56 GMT
People generally sit where they want to sit, but there are issues if you try to sit somewhere that others think you shouldn't sit. And even that's quite often completely ineffectual, as we saw when the SNP tried to sit on Dennis Skinner's lap. Never a good idea at the best of times. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 3, 2024 17:35:24 GMT
Were he to be admitted , other very small parties could demand equal treatment - the residual Ukip - Reclaim - SDP etc. Reform UK are polling higher than the Green Party or the Liberal Democrats, so it would go down very badly with the general public if they were included and Reform Uk / Farage was not.
You can get away with Sunak v Starmer only as they are Prime Minister and Leader of the Main Opposition, but if you open it up wider then Reform UK has to be involved.
Comparing Reform UK to UKIP, SDP, Reclaim etc, is very disengenuous of you. It's like saying Southport are as big a football club as Everton.
Reform have been invited to the BBC’s seven way debate on Friday. There’s no Lab/Con/LD only debate so Reform needn’t get worked up. |
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Post by graham on Jun 3, 2024 17:36:00 GMT
Were he to be admitted , other very small parties could demand equal treatment - the residual Ukip - Reclaim - SDP etc.
Reform UK are polling higher than the Green Party or the Liberal Democrats, so it would go down very badly with the general public if they were included and Reform Uk / Farage was not.
You can get away with Sunak v Starmer only as they are Prime Minister and Leader of the Main Opposition, but if you open it up wider then Reform UK has to be involved.
Comparing Reform UK to UKIP, SDP, Reclaim etc, is very disengenuous of you. It's like saying Southport are as big a football club as Everton.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 3, 2024 17:37:20 GMT
Reform UK are polling higher than the Green Party or the Liberal Democrats, so it would go down very badly with the general public if they were included and Reform Uk / Farage was not.
You can get away with Sunak v Starmer only as they are Prime Minister and Leader of the Main Opposition, but if you open it up wider then Reform UK has to be involved.
Comparing Reform UK to UKIP, SDP, Reclaim etc, is very disengenuous of you. It's like saying Southport are as big a football club as Everton.
Galloway would also have a claim to be included.
Well his ego is big enough to be counted as 38 MPs
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 3, 2024 17:39:10 GMT
I kept reading that as Poirot.... Murder on the Greater Anglia Express The Mysterious Affair at Jaywick. |
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Post by timmullen on Jun 3, 2024 17:39:22 GMT
Leadership debates will be hamstrung by court cases if Reform isn't invited. They're a national party for one thing, and Farage guarantees viewers. Were he to be admitted , other very small parties could demand equal treatment - the residual Ukip - Reclaim - SDP etc. You could do something similar to the Americans this year and have a qualifying threshold in x number of opinion polls plus as somebody like Robert Kennedy has to be on the ballot in a designated number of States then you could adapt that to fielding candidates in 66% (plucked out of thin air) of seats. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 3, 2024 17:43:35 GMT
Reform UK are polling higher than the Green Party or the Liberal Democrats, so it would go down very badly with the general public if they were included and Reform Uk / Farage was not.
You can get away with Sunak v Starmer only as they are Prime Minister and Leader of the Main Opposition, but if you open it up wider then Reform UK has to be involved.
Comparing Reform UK to UKIP, SDP, Reclaim etc, is very disengenuous of you. It's like saying Southport are as big a football club as Everton.
Galloway would also have a claim to be included. Certainly the case as Galloway has won multiple constituencies from outside the party structure. The other bunch of losers have won one constituency, by a former Tory MP, and he promptly quit soon after. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2024 17:46:55 GMT
Galloway would also have a claim to be included. Certainly the case as Galloway has won multiple constituencies from outside the party structure. The other bunch of losers have won one constituency, by a former Tory MP, and he promptly quit soon after. I have a lot more respect for Farage and co than Galloway and whatever it is that he does to win. |
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Post by Kristofer Keane on Jun 3, 2024 17:48:37 GMT
The Labour response to Farage standing is a tad harsh:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2024 17:50:07 GMT
While Farage helps Labour this time, he could plausibly win a GE as Tory leader in 2029 a la Boris Johnson's support in the 'red wall', IMO. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 3, 2024 17:55:26 GMT
Galloway would also have a claim to be included.
Well his ego is big enough to be counted as 38 MPs
He has threatened to sue. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 3, 2024 17:58:00 GMT
Yeah good luck with that.
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Post by noorderling on Jun 3, 2024 18:04:58 GMT
While Farage helps Labour this time, he could plausibly win a GE as Tory leader in 2029 a la Boris Johnson's support in the 'red wall', IMO. Would Farage as leader not simultaneously make the return of One Nation Tory voters in especially the South more unlikely.? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2024 18:16:05 GMT
While Farage helps Labour this time, he could plausibly win a GE as Tory leader in 2029 a la Boris Johnson's support in the 'red wall', IMO. Would Farage as leader not simultaneously make the return of One Nation Tory voters in especially the South more unlikely.? Yes and the 2029 General Election map might look a lot like the EU referendum result, with the Tories winning in places like Sunderland while losing in Surrey. |
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Post by graham on Jun 3, 2024 18:24:19 GMT
I see Galloway is now going to Court over not having been invited to tomorrow's Party Leader debate!
I would have thought he has as much entitlement as Farage to being included in the multiparty debate.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 3, 2024 18:30:14 GMT
Farage has convinced himself that the Conservatives aren't right wing and only he can save the party from itself. I'm not sure what Conservative Party he's watched because they look pretty right wing to me.
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Post by john07 on Jun 3, 2024 18:30:14 GMT
I see Galloway is now going to Court over not having been invited to tomorrow's Party Leader debate! I would have thought he has as much entitlement as Farage to being included in the multiparty debate. The latter is rather premature as he only appointed himself leader of Reform today! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 3, 2024 18:43:56 GMT
On what basis would he be admitted to the debate at all? Reform had no elected MPs - defectors don't count! Leadership debates will be hamstrung by court cases if Reform isn't invited. They're a national party for one thing, and Farage guarantees viewers. So would Ant & Dec but that's no reason to invite them. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 3, 2024 18:52:20 GMT
People generally sit where they want to sit, but there are issues if you try to sit somewhere that others think you shouldn't sit. And even that's quite often completely ineffectual, as we saw when the SNP tried to sit on Dennis Skinner's lap. Well they certainly would not have been able to pinch his seat as he appeared to be there continually. He guarded that seat very jealously. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 3, 2024 20:09:39 GMT
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