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Post by eastmidlandsright on Sept 21, 2024 9:22:37 GMT
Just because ignorant and stupid people like yourself are unaware of something does not mean that it doesn't exist and just because you think something is a default position it doesn't make it so. Eric Firth did not hold surgeries and the voters never seemed to have a problem with it. How many people in the country have ever attended an MPs surgery? I would wage fewer than 1%, essentially the mad, the bad and the sad. They are not remotely representative of the wider electorate and their tedious opinions are not worthy of respect. The people of Clacton will make their judgement on Farage's performance as their MP at the next election, if he chooses to seek re-election. There will be numerous factors in how they make that judgement but their concerns will not be close to the same as those like you with a deranged obsession over Farage. people who attend MPs' surgeries will very often have a particular problem which they need their MPs' help with. It is not by any means just people who wish to sound off with what you call their tedious opinions. When I have contacted my MP it has been for a problem which I think she as my MP can help me with, not to expound my views, most of which she will be aware of as I am quite a prominent figure in my constituency and well-known to the most active Lib Dems which would include her. As it happens I have contacted her via e-mail rather than attending her surgery. I have no doubt that a small number of people might have a good reason to seek their MPs help on a certain matter and I would fully expect all MPs to provide contact details so such people can write to them and for MPs to arrange a meeting were appropriate. This is very different to holding surgeries which are just an invitation for assorted numpties to turn up and blather on about trivial matters. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 21, 2024 9:33:00 GMT
I note that Farage yesterday said Reform should be learning from the Lib Dems to replicate their success in targeting. A large part of that involves a very active constituency operation which does in fact try to engage with electors and their various minor frustrations.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 21, 2024 9:44:07 GMT
I note that Farage yesterday said Reform should be learning from the Lib Dems to replicate their success in targeting. A large part of that involves a very active constituency operation which does in fact try to engage with electors and their various minor frustrations. Many years ago, our local party had a member who really struggled with the LibDem way of giving a shit about the tiny things. They left after less than a year because of frustration over wanting to think big picture while we, erm, focussed on pavement politics. The challenge for Reform is getting how the tiny things matter. Sometimes you need the Planning Committee big wigs running fingers through million pound projects, yes, but most of the time it's very mundane stuff, lots of door knocking, lots of phone calls, and lots of pointing at overgrown trees and shattered street name signs. |
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Post by cathyc on Sept 21, 2024 10:08:32 GMT
Ignorant and stupid people like myself at least know the names of MPs they are citing as examples. I assume you mean Eric Forth. About as bad a case of a malign Member as you can get. Bah, this bloody keyboard is too small for my clumsy fingers. I typed Firth originally, noticed my mistake, went back and thought I had corrected it but still got it wrong. Far from being malign Forth was an outstanding MP who unlike so many understood that he was a legislator not a jumped up social worker. Yeah, of course you did. Again. There are some people who probably think that you just searched the web for an MP than didn't hold surgeries and then typed in the wrong name. I hear those Fisher Price keyboards are deceptively small. Eric Forth was in no way a legislator, in fact he was an anti-legislator. I know people who worked on the margins campaigning about firework safety. Several MPs and their staff spent many days working to make sure that they got the legislation as right as possible and took advice from lots of other members and expert organisations. Eric Forth put forward lots of well-researched and thoughtful amendments to try to improve it even more and remove the parts he thought were ill-considered. Forgive my fat fingers, that's one big typo. What he did instead was to lounge on the back benches one Friday morning and shout 'Object' at which point the Bill was paused with very little chance of it being reintroduced. He did the same on many other occasions to perfectly reasonable proposals. He didn't hold surgeries either. Who would have guessed? |
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Post by London Lad on Sept 21, 2024 10:35:19 GMT
Given that there is no rule that says you must hold surgeries the decision is purely one for Mr Farage. The good people of Clacton will decide at the next election if they feel they have been materially deprived of representation and cast their vote accordingly.
A non issue.
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Post by cathyc on Sept 21, 2024 10:48:27 GMT
Given that there is no rule that says you must hold surgeries the decision is purely one for Mr Farage. The good people of Clacton will decide at the next election if they feel they have been materially deprived of representation and cast their vote accordingly. A non issue. On that basis no MP of any party should be criticised on this forum for anything they do short of breaking rules or laws. Let's see how long that self-abstinence lasts. |
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Post by London Lad on Sept 21, 2024 10:58:29 GMT
Given that there is no rule that says you must hold surgeries the decision is purely one for Mr Farage. The good people of Clacton will decide at the next election if they feel they have been materially deprived of representation and cast their vote accordingly. A non issue. On that basis no MP of any party should be criticised on this forum for anything they do short of breaking rules or laws. Let's see how long that self-abstinence lasts. All MP's make their own decisions on their behaviour - the judgement about that behaviour is made at the subsequent general election. Nobody forced Starmer to take the freebies he does, that is purely a decision for him and the judgement of the people will be passed in 5 years time. Farage is no different. I know it is not strictly a personal vote but in every MEP election that Farage took part in his support increased - so his behaviour doesn't seem to be so unacceptable to a lot of people. |
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Post by cathyc on Sept 21, 2024 11:13:11 GMT
On that basis no MP of any party should be criticised on this forum for anything they do short of breaking rules or laws. Let's see how long that self-abstinence lasts. All MP's make their own decisions on their behaviour - the judgement about that behaviour is made at the subsequent general election. Nobody forced Starmer to take the freebies he does, that is purely a decision for him and the judgement of the people will be passed in 5 years time. Farage is no different. I know it is not strictly a personal vote but in every MEP election that Farage took part in his support increased - so his behaviour doesn't seem to be so unacceptable to a lot of people. If you don't think that people shouldn't comment on Farage's conduct as an MP, fair enough. If you think it's right to criticise Starmer that also fair. But not both. Farage didn't say he wouldn't hold surgeries, but then Starmer did say he wouldn't take freebies. Either both of them are open to be challenged about that or neither of them are. They certainly didn't give any indication otherwise and gave the impression that they would play by the usual code. One exception to that is it does seem that Starmer was late in declaring donations. He says that he was being transparent and that the revelation only came about when his team sought advice about what needed to be declared. That seems very implausible and it should have been totally obvious that these donations should have been registered. Then they slapped a question in to the authorities just to be able to claim that they'd raised it. Smell test failed. |
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Post by London Lad on Sept 21, 2024 16:47:33 GMT
All MP's make their own decisions on their behaviour - the judgement about that behaviour is made at the subsequent general election. Nobody forced Starmer to take the freebies he does, that is purely a decision for him and the judgement of the people will be passed in 5 years time. Farage is no different. I know it is not strictly a personal vote but in every MEP election that Farage took part in his support increased - so his behaviour doesn't seem to be so unacceptable to a lot of people. If you don't think that people shouldn't comment on Farage's conduct as an MP, fair enough. If you think it's right to criticise Starmer that also fair. But not both. Farage didn't say he wouldn't hold surgeries, but then Starmer did say he wouldn't take freebies. Either both of them are open to be challenged about that or neither of them are. They certainly didn't give any indication otherwise and gave the impression that they would play by the usual code. One exception to that is it does seem that Starmer was late in declaring donations. He says that he was being transparent and that the revelation only came about when his team sought advice about what needed to be declared. That seems very implausible and it should have been totally obvious that these donations should have been registered. Then they slapped a question in to the authorities just to be able to claim that they'd raised it. Smell test failed. LOL - the idea that people like you who are a bit obsessed with Farage are ever going to stop commenting on him is rather sweet. It's still (a relatively) free country and you are free to comment on who and what you like. With regards to your point about Starmers failure to declare donations - well that just highlights his hypocrisy. When you stand up in Parliament and lecture others that the rules on donations are perfectly clear then you had better be sure you are squeaky clean. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Sept 21, 2024 19:31:27 GMT
Bah, this bloody keyboard is too small for my clumsy fingers. I typed Firth originally, noticed my mistake, went back and thought I had corrected it but still got it wrong. Far from being malign Forth was an outstanding MP who unlike so many understood that he was a legislator not a jumped up social worker. Yeah, of course you did. Again. There are some people who probably think that you just searched the web for an MP than didn't hold surgeries and then typed in the wrong name. I hear those Fisher Price keyboards are deceptively small. Eric Forth was in no way a legislator, in fact he was an anti-legislator. I know people who worked on the margins campaigning about firework safety. Several MPs and their staff spent many days working to make sure that they got the legislation as right as possible and took advice from lots of other members and expert organisations. Eric Forth put forward lots of well-researched and thoughtful amendments to try to improve it even more and remove the parts he thought were ill-considered. Forgive my fat fingers, that's one big typo. What he did instead was to lounge on the back benches one Friday morning and shout 'Object' at which point the Bill was paused with very little chance of it being reintroduced. He did the same on many other occasions to perfectly reasonable proposals. He didn't hold surgeries either. Who would have guessed? I can't call you a silly girl as our foolish moderators have forbade it so I will simply say what a silly person you are. The idea that I needed to search the web to discover Eric Forth is laughable, he is among my favourite MPs of my lifetime and I know his record very well. He was absolutely wonderful in preventing well meaning fools enshrining well meaning but misguided laws onto the statute book. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 21, 2024 20:04:59 GMT
Yeah, of course you did. Again. There are some people who probably think that you just searched the web for an MP than didn't hold surgeries and then typed in the wrong name. I hear those Fisher Price keyboards are deceptively small. Eric Forth was in no way a legislator, in fact he was an anti-legislator. I know people who worked on the margins campaigning about firework safety. Several MPs and their staff spent many days working to make sure that they got the legislation as right as possible and took advice from lots of other members and expert organisations. Eric Forth put forward lots of well-researched and thoughtful amendments to try to improve it even more and remove the parts he thought were ill-considered. Forgive my fat fingers, that's one big typo. What he did instead was to lounge on the back benches one Friday morning and shout 'Object' at which point the Bill was paused with very little chance of it being reintroduced. He did the same on many other occasions to perfectly reasonable proposals. He didn't hold surgeries either. Who would have guessed? I can't call you a silly girl as our foolish moderators have forbade it so I will simply say what a silly person you are. The idea that I needed to search the web to discover Eric Forth is laughable, he is among my favourite MPs of my lifetime and I know his record very well. He was absolutely wonderful in preventing well meaning fools enshrining well meaning but misguided laws onto he statute book. The whole concept of Private Members Bills and legislation is time wasting bollocks and should be entirely swept away. Eric was doing sterling work. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Sept 21, 2024 20:13:21 GMT
I can't call you a silly girl as our foolish moderators have forbade it so I will simply say what a silly person you are. The idea that I needed to search the web to discover Eric Forth is laughable, he is among my favourite MPs of my lifetime and I know his record very well. He was absolutely wonderful in preventing well meaning fools enshrining well meaning but misguided laws onto he statute book. The whole concept of Private Members Bills and legislation is time wasting bollocks and should be entirely swept away. Eric was doing sterling work. I have liked this post even though I can't completely agree with it. I am not opposed to Private Members Bills, and neither was Eric Forth. They have their place and I would not wish to deny legislators the right to introduce legislation. The problem is that many Private Members Bills sail through with inadequate scrutiny and debate. For the most part Eric didn't object to bills because he disagreed with them but because he felt that they hadn't received sufficient scrutiny. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 21, 2024 20:42:22 GMT
Scrap Private Members Bills and what exactly do certain posters want backbenchers to do?
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Post by cathyc on Sept 21, 2024 21:08:14 GMT
Yeah, of course you did. Again. There are some people who probably think that you just searched the web for an MP than didn't hold surgeries and then typed in the wrong name. I hear those Fisher Price keyboards are deceptively small. Eric Forth was in no way a legislator, in fact he was an anti-legislator. I know people who worked on the margins campaigning about firework safety. Several MPs and their staff spent many days working to make sure that they got the legislation as right as possible and took advice from lots of other members and expert organisations. Eric Forth put forward lots of well-researched and thoughtful amendments to try to improve it even more and remove the parts he thought were ill-considered. Forgive my fat fingers, that's one big typo. What he did instead was to lounge on the back benches one Friday morning and shout 'Object' at which point the Bill was paused with very little chance of it being reintroduced. He did the same on many other occasions to perfectly reasonable proposals. He didn't hold surgeries either. Who would have guessed? I can't call you a silly girl as our foolish moderators have forbade it so I will simply say what a silly person you are. The idea that I needed to search the web to discover Eric Forth is laughable, he is among my favourite MPs of my lifetime and I know his record very well. He was absolutely wonderful in preventing well meaning fools enshrining well meaning but misguided laws onto the statute book. Bless you for your complete restraint in not calling me a silly girl. For my part then feel free to because it says far more about you than it does of anyone else, but then that's true of most of your posts - eg your comment about the moderators. To save me the trouble of asking them, do you know if the same opinion would apply to me calling you a misogynist creep or a fascist fanboy? Without resorting to the internet again have you got a favourite example of the Bills scuppered by one of your favourite MPs? The one you admired so much you couldn't remember his name even after correcting it. If he objected to any proposals then he could have done what decent members would do. They would put forward amendments and revisions and if they were rejected he could have voted against the whole thing. Instead he just acted as a veto machine. It is great to have carlton43's approval of Forth's actions to underline what a waste of space he was. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 21, 2024 23:53:22 GMT
The problem is that many Private Members Bills sail through with inadequate scrutiny and debate. For the most part Eric didn't object to bills because he disagreed with them but because he felt that they hadn't received sufficient scrutiny. The row about the procedures on Private Members' Bills generally seems to boil down a small group of MPs trying to get something through as best they can and another small group trying to stop them slipping something through whilst the vast majority are not there. It doesn't help when certain MPs and campaign groups pretend that major change will happen but for someone using a procedural trick (most of which can be overriden if enough MPs were around). |
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Post by Foggy on Sept 21, 2024 23:59:22 GMT
Good job nobody advocating that only the UK executive should be able to put forward Bills has ever had a problem with an inability for parliamentarians to initiate legislation at any higher level of governance.
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Post by edgbaston on Oct 27, 2024 21:46:11 GMT
Conservative Hold Giles Watling MP (Conservative) Another long term safe seat for the party. Just ignore the UKIP blip in 2014. WRONG |
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Post by batman on Oct 27, 2024 21:50:25 GMT
well to be fair that was before we knew Farage was standing wasn't it? But that contributor wasn't of the best.
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Post by aargauer on Oct 28, 2024 6:14:29 GMT
Bah, this bloody keyboard is too small for my clumsy fingers. I typed Firth originally, noticed my mistake, went back and thought I had corrected it but still got it wrong. Far from being malign Forth was an outstanding MP who unlike so many understood that he was a legislator not a jumped up social worker. Yeah, of course you did. Again. There are some people who probably think that you just searched the web for an MP than didn't hold surgeries and then typed in the wrong name. I hear those Fisher Price keyboards are deceptively small. Eric Forth was in no way a legislator, in fact he was an anti-legislator. I know people who worked on the margins campaigning about firework safety. Several MPs and their staff spent many days working to make sure that they got the legislation as right as possible and took advice from lots of other members and expert organisations. Eric Forth put forward lots of well-researched and thoughtful amendments to try to improve it even more and remove the parts he thought were ill-considered. Forgive my fat fingers, that's one big typo. What he did instead was to lounge on the back benches one Friday morning and shout 'Object' at which point the Bill was paused with very little chance of it being reintroduced. He did the same on many other occasions to perfectly reasonable proposals. He didn't hold surgeries either. Who would have guessed? He's before my time but you are making him sound great. I'd object too. |
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Post by cathyc on Oct 28, 2024 9:35:59 GMT
Yeah, of course you did. Again. There are some people who probably think that you just searched the web for an MP than didn't hold surgeries and then typed in the wrong name. I hear those Fisher Price keyboards are deceptively small. Eric Forth was in no way a legislator, in fact he was an anti-legislator. I know people who worked on the margins campaigning about firework safety. Several MPs and their staff spent many days working to make sure that they got the legislation as right as possible and took advice from lots of other members and expert organisations. Eric Forth put forward lots of well-researched and thoughtful amendments to try to improve it even more and remove the parts he thought were ill-considered. Forgive my fat fingers, that's one big typo. What he did instead was to lounge on the back benches one Friday morning and shout 'Object' at which point the Bill was paused with very little chance of it being reintroduced. He did the same on many other occasions to perfectly reasonable proposals. He didn't hold surgeries either. Who would have guessed? He's before my time but you are making him sound great. I'd object too. There was no need to confirm that it would have been good legislation but thanks for providing it anyway. |
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