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Post by timmullen on Jun 28, 2024 9:23:58 GMT
Does anyone else feel that the reprehensible comments of Reform activists recently filmed in Clacton actually reinforce Reform support rather than damage it? They are saying what Reform supporters actually think but are mostly afraid to say in public with Farage condemning them and claiming they are just members of the public who turned up to help so absolves himself and Reform of any responsibility whatsoever. Whilst social media and the main stream media works itself into a frenzy about nasty Reform activists and candidates Reform meanwhile are laughing all the way to the ballot box. Reform thrive on the oxygen of publicity and even negative publicity that would destroy any other candidate is helping Reform thrive. Without wishing to go full Kuennesberg, but obviously I can’t get out on the campaign trail, and because of my mum’s rapidly advancing dementia I’ve not even telephone canvassed, so my information is from the feedback in the campaign WhatsApp and that is our boots on the ground are definitely picking up significant “well we like Farage but we remember Coleman and Batkin (the two leading extremists in Stoke BNP a decade ago) and this sounds like what they’d say so we’re probably not going to bother”; it’s rather like Trump, it may fire up his base but it also gives pause for thought for “traditional” Conservatives/Republicans who don’t like the current incarnation but equally haven’t come across to us. The other interesting thing is there’s been barely any Reform support in what we’re calling “the villages”, the areas outside Stoke itself that were previously in Stone constituency, and that is where we’re seeing Brereton as well (oh and on a largely unrelated note we’ve got a PM visit next week which hopefully suggests that Jack’s sent out an SOS).
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Post by norflondon on Jun 28, 2024 9:25:53 GMT
Rather depressingly but not surprisingly, no one here has commented & condemned the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland being called a f*****g pa*i by a Reform canvasser out on the streets of Clacton. The comment and the one about shooting boat migrants is appalling and should be front page news!
Farage now 1/7 or 87% to win here following Labour's withdrawal of support for their candidate
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 10:19:02 GMT
Rather depressingly but not surprisingly, no one here has commented & condemned the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland being called a f*****g pa*i by a Reform canvasser out on the streets of Clacton. The comment and the one about shooting boat migrants is appalling and should be front page news! Farage now 1/7 or 87% to win here following Labour's withdrawal of support for their candidate I condemn Keir Starmer for saying Rishi Sunak "Doesn't get British Values", but this wasn't covered on Channel Four because this racist dog whistle was from the man they want elected I've been getting concerns on the doorstep about Rishi somehow not being British and so will Labour. Why did Keir slip in "British Values" into a PMQ, why are posters on here going about Rishi going to the States? I would say the Reform candidate was an honest bigot while Keir actually doesn't believe the bigotry he's employing.
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Post by cathyc on Jun 28, 2024 10:22:59 GMT
Rather depressingly but not surprisingly, no one here has commented & condemned the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland being called a f*****g pa*i by a Reform canvasser out on the streets of Clacton. The comment and the one about shooting boat migrants is appalling and should be front page news! Farage now 1/7 or 87% to win here following Labour's withdrawal of support for their candidate I condemn Keir Starmer for saying Rishi Sunak "Doesn't get British Values", but this wasn't covered on Channel Four because this racist dog whistle was from the man they want elected Great point except Sunak said it about Starmer.
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 10:29:23 GMT
I condemn Keir Starmer for saying Rishi Sunak "Doesn't get British Values", but this wasn't covered on Channel Four because this racist dog whistle was from the man they want elected Great point except Sunak said it about Starmer. Oops, my bad. I'd wondered why it hasn't been picked up when I got the wrong end of that stick in January. But Sunak isn't British is a concern that has come across and it is raised through "is he going to America" or questions about tax status bylinetimes.com/2024/01/26/eight-out-of-ten-brits-say-rishi-sunak-doesnt-get-britain/
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Post by cathyc on Jun 28, 2024 10:34:52 GMT
Rather depressingly but not surprisingly, no one here has commented & condemned the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland being called a f*****g pa*i by a Reform canvasser out on the streets of Clacton. The comment and the one about shooting boat migrants is appalling and should be front page news! Farage now 1/7 or 87% to win here following Labour's withdrawal of support for their candidate I condemn Keir Starmer for saying Rishi Sunak "Doesn't get British Values", but this wasn't covered on Channel Four because this racist dog whistle was from the man they want elected I've been getting concerns on the doorstep about Rishi somehow not being British and so will Labour. Why did Keir slip in "British Values" into a PMQ, why are posters on here going about Rishi going to the States? I would say the Reform candidate was an honest bigot while Keir actually doesn't believe the bigotry he's employing. Is 'honest bigot' a compliment or a condemnation.
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 10:38:41 GMT
I condemn Keir Starmer for saying Rishi Sunak "Doesn't get British Values", but this wasn't covered on Channel Four because this racist dog whistle was from the man they want elected I've been getting concerns on the doorstep about Rishi somehow not being British and so will Labour. Why did Keir slip in "British Values" into a PMQ, why are posters on here going about Rishi going to the States? I would say the Reform candidate was an honest bigot while Keir actually doesn't believe the bigotry he's employing. Is 'honest bigot' a compliment or a condemnation. It's better than the type who uses bigotry and doesn't believe in it
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Post by john07 on Jun 28, 2024 10:47:46 GMT
When you are in a hole the best thing to do is to stop digging.
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Post by cathyc on Jun 28, 2024 10:49:33 GMT
Is 'honest bigot' a compliment or a condemnation. It's better than the type who uses bigotry and doesn't believe in it I see you using the term 'honest bigot' in the sense of 'out and out racist and psychopath'. Racism that you can't seem to bring yourself to condemn. Your chosen evidence about Starmer is totally invalidated by the fact that you got the quote the wrong way round. Was Sunak being a bigot when he said it or are you one of the snowflakes it only happens in one direction?
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 10:58:20 GMT
It's better than the type who uses bigotry and doesn't believe in it I see you using the term 'honest bigot' in the sense of 'out and out racist and psychopath'. Racism that you can't seem to bring yourself to condemn. Your chosen evidence about Starmer is totally invalidated by the fact that you got the quote the wrong way round. Was Sunak being a bigot when he said it or are you one of the snowflakes it only happens in one direction? No, Starmer did say something alluding to Rishi's supposed non Britishness, just a different quote about Rishi "doesn't get Britain' today" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12951261/Keir-Starmer-Rishi-Sunak-Tory-racism-PMQs.htmlI dislike racism, but I just think that those who cynically use it for temporary political advantage - particularly if like most of Labour they think it's the worse thing possible - are worse than those who are honestly misguided
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 10:59:37 GMT
When you are in a hole the best thing to do is to stop digging. Those are dog whistles for political advantage And the thing is, your party don't need to use them - you're 20% ahead But you still do
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Post by cathyc on Jun 28, 2024 11:03:13 GMT
Why would they? The Conservative candidate is also an actor. It's not as though this racist was the only one found to be stating disgusting views. Others were also boasting about breaking election law.
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Post by cathyc on Jun 28, 2024 11:07:23 GMT
I see you using the term 'honest bigot' in the sense of 'out and out racist and psychopath'. Racism that you can't seem to bring yourself to condemn. Your chosen evidence about Starmer is totally invalidated by the fact that you got the quote the wrong way round. Was Sunak being a bigot when he said it or are you one of the snowflakes it only happens in one direction? No, Starmer did say something alluding to Rishi's supposed non Britishness, just a different quote about Rishi "doesn't get Britain' today" www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12951261/Keir-Starmer-Rishi-Sunak-Tory-racism-PMQs.htmlI dislike racism, but I just think that those who cynically use it for temporary political advantage - particularly if like most of Labour they think it's the worse thing possible - are worse than those who are honestly misguided But your point about the quote was that Channel 4 hadn't reported it because it was made by the person they wanted to win the election. Sunak said it. So your conclusion should be that they are rooting for the Conservatives.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 28, 2024 11:07:59 GMT
Some members of Reform spouting off the sort of shit the BNP would have said in a previous election cycle is no surprise to me.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 28, 2024 11:11:36 GMT
Rather depressingly but not surprisingly, no one here has commented & condemned the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland being called a f*****g pa*i by a Reform canvasser out on the streets of Clacton. The comment and the one about shooting boat migrants is appalling and should be front page news! Farage now 1/7 or 87% to win here following Labour's withdrawal of support for their candidate Why should the stupid opinions of a Reform canvasser be front page news? Like most political activists he is irrelevant to whether or not Nigel Farage or any other Reform candidate should be elected. And yes his views are highly offensive. Many an Indian, or person of Indian heritage, that I have known would have chinned him for some such a grotesque insult. Nothing worse in their eyes than being mistaken as Pakistani.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 11:32:36 GMT
Ah! Deja vu is not what not was in the future! In these very columns a few brief years ago I was excoriated for advancing the idea that Sunak was a monumentally incorrect choice of new candidate for this seat. Now apparently I have miraculously become correct!
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Post by right on Jun 28, 2024 11:41:00 GMT
Ah! Deja vu is not what not was in the future! In these very columns a few brief years ago I was excoriated for advancing the idea that Sunak was a monumentally incorrect choice of new candidate for this seat. Now apparently I have miraculously become correct! For Clacton? Possibly, although without Farage the Tories would have won this seat comfortably. For leader? I seem to remember that you, like me, were a reluctant Sunak supporter once it was down to the last two because you liked what Truss said but thought from all you heard that she'd blow up in office. Would our candidate Badenoch have been good for Clacton? I think she would, because I think Clacton's rejection of Sunak is all to do with policy and him being a bit of a rich kid and basically nothing to do with his skin colour, whatever a moronic* canvasser says. *Moronic not because of his racism, which I deplore, but because he claimed Sunak was a Pakistani.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 11:48:28 GMT
Ah! Deja vu is not what not was in the future! In these very columns a few brief years ago I was excoriated for advancing the idea that Sunak was a monumentally incorrect choice of new candidate for this seat. Now apparently I have miraculously become correct! For Clacton? Possibly, although without Farage the Tories would have won this seat comfortably. For leader? I seem to remember that you, like me, were a reluctant Sunak supporter once it was down to the last two because you liked what Truss said but thought from all you heard that she'd blow up in office. Would our candidate Badenoch have been good for Clacton? I think she would, because I think Clacton's rejection of Sunak is all to do with policy and him being a bit of a rich kid and basically nothing to do with his skin colour, whatever a moronic* canvasser says. *Moronic not because of his racism, which I deplore, but because he claimed Sunak was a Pakistani. No, none of that at all. Both Sunak and Truss were dreadful choices for anything. My reference was entirely to Sunak's candidature for a Yorkshire seat.
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