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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 25, 2024 8:20:27 GMT
Presumably the e-mail was sent to everyone in the region who was on an e-mail list. That they did not go through the list and remove people who they knew were unlikely to be able to get that was not some massive slight against you or a lack of understanding of geography. Did I mention emails? I get verbal exhorations for "all our activists" to decamp to remote places and not "waste time working local areas".
The alternative to putting out leaflets in Whitby is not putting out leaflets somewhere else, it's not putting out *any* leaflets. At least with the GE the Royal Mail are putting out the leaflet.
You really are the most awkward bugger imaginable, no wonder you are effectively unemployable. Let me explain, It isn't about you! The national and regional party want as many activists as possible in target seats and therefore they ask everyone. Furthermore they do it in a fairly strong manner in order to emphasise the point. They know that not everybody will go and that some will stay and work their own patch but if you don't ask you don't get. Nobody wants to be the regional organiser (or whatever their title is) that misses out on winnable seats by a couple of hundred votes after being too shy to cajole activists into working those seats.
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Post by batman on Jun 25, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
Harsh, but fair
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 25, 2024 11:09:57 GMT
Did I mention emails? I get verbal exhorations for "all our activists" to decamp to remote places and not "waste time working local areas".
The alternative to putting out leaflets in Whitby is not putting out leaflets somewhere else, it's not putting out *any* leaflets. At least with the GE the Royal Mail are putting out the leaflet.
You really are the most awkward bugger imaginable, no wonder you are effectively unemployable. Let me explain, It isn't about you! The national and regional party want as many activists as possible in target seats and therefore they ask everyone. Furthermore they do it in a fairly strong manner in order to emphasise the point. They know that not everybody will go and that some will stay and work their own patch but if you don't ask you don't get. Nobody wants to be the regional organiser (or whatever their title is) that misses out on winnable seats by a couple of hundred votes after being too shy to cajole activists into working those seats. Don't worry, I've taken them to heart. It's physically impossible for any activists here to get anywhere else, so they're doing nothing.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 25, 2024 16:08:24 GMT
You really are the most awkward bugger imaginable, no wonder you are effectively unemployable. Let me explain, It isn't about you! The national and regional party want as many activists as possible in target seats and therefore they ask everyone. Furthermore they do it in a fairly strong manner in order to emphasise the point. They know that not everybody will go and that some will stay and work their own patch but if you don't ask you don't get. Nobody wants to be the regional organiser (or whatever their title is) that misses out on winnable seats by a couple of hundred votes after being too shy to cajole activists into working those seats. Don't worry, I've taken them to heart. It's physically impossible for any activists here to get anywhere else, so they're doing nothing. And when the request for activists to go to target seats results in a couple of target seats being won by a couple of hundred votes do you really think anyone in your party is going to care that you downed tools in a hopeless seat because you thought someone was a bit overly forceful in trying to get activists where the party needed them?
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Post by maxque on Jun 25, 2024 23:35:33 GMT
Don't worry, I've taken them to heart. It's physically impossible for any activists here to get anywhere else, so they're doing nothing. And when the request for activists to go to target seats results in a couple of target seats being won by a couple of hundred votes do you really think anyone in your party is going to care that you downed tools in a hopeless seat because you thought someone was a bit overly forceful in trying to get activists where the party needed them? Considering the very locally based nature of LD "spurts", pissing off activists might be quite worse for them than for any other party.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 25, 2024 23:42:57 GMT
And when the request for activists to go to target seats results in a couple of target seats being won by a couple of hundred votes do you really think anyone in your party is going to care that you downed tools in a hopeless seat because you thought someone was a bit overly forceful in trying to get activists where the party needed them? Considering the very locally based nature of LD "spurts", pissing off activists might be quite worse for them than for any other party. Over the years I've been here I have had the small handful of "I'm not letting that (insult) tell me what to do again, (they) can (anotomical improbability)".
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 25, 2024 23:51:14 GMT
And when the request for activists to go to target seats results in a couple of target seats being won by a couple of hundred votes do you really think anyone in your party is going to care that you downed tools in a hopeless seat because you thought someone was a bit overly forceful in trying to get activists where the party needed them? Locals didn't "down tools", just stated the physical impossibility of being active anywhere else.
In the county elections last year we had three activists who lived very close to the East Yorkshire boundary. They spent almost all their time in Bridlington, as it was a 30 minute bus ride away, and they could drop in at a moment's notice.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 26, 2024 8:19:12 GMT
You really are the most awkward bugger imaginable, no wonder you are effectively unemployable. Let me explain, It isn't about you! The national and regional party want as many activists as possible in target seats and therefore they ask everyone. Furthermore they do it in a fairly strong manner in order to emphasise the point. They know that not everybody will go and that some will stay and work their own patch but if you don't ask you don't get. Nobody wants to be the regional organiser (or whatever their title is) that misses out on winnable seats by a couple of hundred votes after being too shy to cajole activists into working those seats. Don't worry, I've taken them to heart. It's physically impossible for any activists here to get anywhere else, so they're doing nothing. Phone canvassing is available, I am sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 8:20:11 GMT
"People cherry picking the best bits from the past" is how we ended up with Brexit. Peak Lib Dem cope and seethe.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 26, 2024 9:18:03 GMT
From another blog I have picked up this comment from a Labour activist in Clacton - 'So, I advise you all to sit yourself down comfortably with a strong drink - alcoholic, tea, coffee, whatever you fancy - this could take some time and when I've finished you probably won't believe it anyway! Our candidate in Clacton, Jovan Owusu-Nepaul, is a Labour Party employee. When he was parachuted into Clacton, he had to sign an agreement that he would not campaign in Clacton but would campaign in Colchester instead. Of course, he has been campaigning in Clacton along with Clacton CLP members, because we all feel it is important we defeat Farage and we have got to the stage where our canvassing, a number of local opinion polls and tactical voting sites indicate we are in second place and if people want to vote to keep Farage out, they should vote Labour. Yesterday, Jovan and our CLP were told to stop all campaigning in Clacton; we would get no further support, we have been blocked out from Organise and Contact Creator and other sanctions have been taken. Jovan has been told to go to the West Midlands (where he lives) to campaign there. As far as our members are concerned we were told we HAVE to go to Colchester and no further activity in Clacton will be supported or financed. None of our members want to go to Colchester and will refuse, partly because we have been told by the Colchester CLP that they don't need us as they have enough of their own members and supporters and their canvassing shows they are well in front anyway. Talking of finance, we were offered an amazing £10,000 donation to support Jovan. Our Regional Office have told us to take the money but not use it on campaigning. I can't help think this is actually fraud. While writing this, someone has sent me a link to a Guardian article just published that says this sort of thing is happening all over the country in Labour constituencies where candidates and members have dared to campaign in their own constituency and not gone where directed. I'm sorry. I have no words (apart from the ones above!)' How interested would BBC East and ITV Anglia be in this story? Its daft. First, very few people help with Colchester. Its too far. And Clacton, probably a small party, helps local members - even though its not a Labour banker. The candidate might do very little, but given its Farage, obviously Labour have something to help. The donation should be given to Clacton - if its campaigning, its obvious. This is quite simply bollocks. You can get to Colchester from bits of the constituency in half an hour and none of it is exactly distant. Plenty of other equally distant (ie not very) constituencies have been sending activists to Colchester and also doing a bit of campaigning locally. The steer towards target seats is more heavy handed this time, but in substance it's nothing unusual - back in the 2015 campaign it was not unusual for activists from Clacton to travel to Ipswich, which was the local target seat at the time.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 26, 2024 9:20:40 GMT
And when the request for activists to go to target seats results in a couple of target seats being won by a couple of hundred votes do you really think anyone in your party is going to care that you downed tools in a hopeless seat because you thought someone was a bit overly forceful in trying to get activists where the party needed them? Locals didn't "down tools", just stated the physical impossibility of being active anywhere else.
In the county elections last year we had three activists who lived very close to the East Yorkshire boundary. They spent almost all their time in Bridlington, as it was a 30 minute bus ride away, and they could drop in at a moment's notice.
FFS, just for once stop being so bloody obdurate. Activists were asked to go elsewhere, it isn't logistically feasible so they aren't doing so. They either work their local patch in a hopeless seat or they don't. You said that "they're doing nothing" so have obviously chosen the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2024 9:22:17 GMT
I passed this story on to my friend at ITV - I hope it helps Farage win.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 26, 2024 9:24:11 GMT
And when the request for activists to go to target seats results in a couple of target seats being won by a couple of hundred votes do you really think anyone in your party is going to care that you downed tools in a hopeless seat because you thought someone was a bit overly forceful in trying to get activists where the party needed them? Considering the very locally based nature of LD "spurts", pissing off activists might be quite worse for them than for any other party. Obvious no one wants to piss off activists needlessly but in the pressure of a general election campaign party organisers are going to do their best to cajole as many activists as possible into working target seats. You can't compromise that effort by overly worrying that a couple of overly sensitive types are going to spit their dummy out.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 26, 2024 9:35:29 GMT
Its daft. First, very few people help with Colchester. Its too far. And Clacton, probably a small party, helps local members - even though its not a Labour banker. The candidate might do very little, but given its Farage, obviously Labour have something to help. The donation should be given to Clacton - if its campaigning, its obvious. This is quite simply bollocks. You can get to Colchester from bits of the constituency in half an hour and none of it is exactly distant. Plenty of other equally distant (ie not very) constituencies have been sending activists to Colchester and also doing a bit of campaigning locally. The steer towards target seats is more heavy handed this time, but in substance it's nothing unusual - back in the 2015 campaign it was not unusual for activists from Clacton to travel to Ipswich, which was the local target seat at the time. Lots of people do not have a car....
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 26, 2024 9:57:55 GMT
Most people in the Clacton constituency do have access to a car, and I suspect that's even truer for party activists. And there are regular trains to Colchester from almost every sizeable population centre in the constituency.
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Post by nyx on Jun 26, 2024 19:54:51 GMT
Presumably the e-mail was sent to everyone in the region who was on an e-mail list. That they did not go through the list and remove people who they knew were unlikely to be able to get that was not some massive slight against you or a lack of understanding of geography. Did I mention emails? I get verbal exhorations for "all our activists" to decamp to remote places and not "waste time working local areas".
The alternative to putting out leaflets in Whitby is not putting out leaflets somewhere else, it's not putting out *any* leaflets. At least with the GE the Royal Mail are putting out the leaflet.
This is part of the problem with under targeting. The Lib Dems should have had a secondary target of Thirsk and Malton- would obviously be difficult to win, but at least there is some historic party strength there and bringing in activists from neighbouring seats such as yours would help, whilst being a much more feasible destination for activists than Harrogate!
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 28, 2024 6:25:59 GMT
Does anyone else feel that the reprehensible comments of Reform activists recently filmed in Clacton actually reinforce Reform support rather than damage it? They are saying what Reform supporters actually think but are mostly afraid to say in public with Farage condemning them and claiming they are just members of the public who turned up to help so absolves himself and Reform of any responsibility whatsoever. Whilst social media and the main stream media works itself into a frenzy about nasty Reform activists and candidates Reform meanwhile are laughing all the way to the ballot box. Reform thrive on the oxygen of publicity and even negative publicity that would destroy any other candidate is helping Reform thrive.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 28, 2024 7:16:44 GMT
Does anyone else feel that the reprehensible comments of Reform activists recently filmed in Clacton actually reinforce Reform support rather than damage it? They are saying what Reform supporters actually think but are mostly afraid to say in public with Farage condemning them and claiming they are just members of the public who turned up to help so absolves himself and Reform of any responsibility whatsoever. Whilst social media and the main stream media works itself into a frenzy about nasty Reform activists and candidates Reform meanwhile are laughing all the way to the ballot box. Reform thrive on the oxygen of publicity and even negative publicity that would destroy any other candidate is helping Reform thrive. Yes
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 28, 2024 8:55:33 GMT
Does anyone else feel that the reprehensible comments of Reform activists recently filmed in Clacton actually reinforce Reform support rather than damage it? They are saying what Reform supporters actually think but are mostly afraid to say in public with Farage condemning them and claiming they are just members of the public who turned up to help so absolves himself and Reform of any responsibility whatsoever. Whilst social media and the main stream media works itself into a frenzy about nasty Reform activists and candidates Reform meanwhile are laughing all the way to the ballot box. Reform thrive on the oxygen of publicity and even negative publicity that would destroy any other candidate is helping Reform thrive. Yes. I do. That is more than half the point of Reform and of Brexit. It is simple kick-back about being marginalised in one's own country at the behest of incomers about what we can and do say about anything. About our jokes, our terminology, and our absolute right to cause offence if we want to. That is the very essence of the freedom that the uber-woke are seeking to deny us. It will not end well. I hope.
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