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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 23, 2024 11:45:11 GMT
From another blog I have picked up this comment from a Labour activist in Clacton - 'So, I advise you all to sit yourself down comfortably with a strong drink - alcoholic, tea, coffee, whatever you fancy - this could take some time and when I've finished you probably won't believe it anyway! Our candidate in Clacton, Jovan Owusu-Nepaul, is a Labour Party employee. When he was parachuted into Clacton, he had to sign an agreement that he would not campaign in Clacton but would campaign in Colchester instead. Of course, he has been campaigning in Clacton along with Clacton CLP members, because we all feel it is important we defeat Farage and we have got to the stage where our canvassing, a number of local opinion polls and tactical voting sites indicate we are in second place and if people want to vote to keep Farage out, they should vote Labour. Yesterday, Jovan and our CLP were told to stop all campaigning in Clacton; we would get no further support, we have been blocked out from Organise and Contact Creator and other sanctions have been taken. Jovan has been told to go to the West Midlands (where he lives) to campaign there. As far as our members are concerned we were told we HAVE to go to Colchester and no further activity in Clacton will be supported or financed. None of our members want to go to Colchester and will refuse, partly because we have been told by the Colchester CLP that they don't need us as they have enough of their own members and supporters and their canvassing shows they are well in front anyway. Talking of finance, we were offered an amazing £10,000 donation to support Jovan. Our Regional Office have told us to take the money but not use it on campaigning. I can't help think this is actually fraud. While writing this, someone has sent me a link to a Guardian article just published that says this sort of thing is happening all over the country in Labour constituencies where candidates and members have dared to campaign in their own constituency and not gone where directed. I'm sorry. I have no words (apart from the ones above!)' How interested would BBC East and ITV Anglia be in this story? I would screen grab it, not just copy and paste, so you have the original, and take it from there I know these allegations are true, the same thing has been covered by the Guardian: "Most people are telling HQ to fuck off.”
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 23, 2024 12:00:29 GMT
Labour is going to have a landslide, so telling members to campaign in Sunak's constituency rather than their own safe one, makes sense to me, as does stopping support in foregone constituencies.
It maybe Labour centrally sees Clacton as a write off now Nigel Farage is the candidate, so again it makes sense to ask memebr to campaign elsewhere. Local members might not like it, especially if they don't see it as a write off, but that doesn't mean their isn't some strategic sense in what abour nationally is asking them to do.
This story is really a storm in a teacup type story, great for spoon fed lazy journalists, but irrelevent to the reality of the election.
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Post by mboy on Jun 23, 2024 12:04:34 GMT
When I used to help the LDs this was absolutely standard practice. And indeed, one of the things the LDs prided themselves on was being much more strict on this kind of targeting than the other parties. What they called 'candidatitis' (i.e. "I can really win it!") was very frowned on.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 23, 2024 12:07:11 GMT
When I used to help the LDs this was absolutely standard practice. And indeed, one of the things the LDs prided themselves on was being much more strict on this kind of targeting than the other parties. What they called 'candidatitis' (i.e. "I can really win it!") was very frowned on. When i very first joined the Labour party back in 1983 I remember a council by election in Twickenham where Liberal activists had apparently come from as far away as the Isle of Wight!
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Post by graham on Jun 23, 2024 12:09:08 GMT
It highlights the Stalinist control freakery at the centre of Labour HQ. There are also suggestions from those 'in the Know' that Labour would be happy to see Farage win on account of the problems he would continue to cause the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 12:09:47 GMT
It highlights the Stalinist control freaker at the centre of Labour HQ. There are also suggestions from those 'in the Know' that Labour would be happy to see Farage win on account of the problems he would continue to cause the Tories. Where did you find it? Journalist friend at ITV is very interested.
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Post by graham on Jun 23, 2024 12:14:10 GMT
It highlights the Stalinist control freaker at the centre of Labour HQ. There are also suggestions from those 'in the Know' that Labour would be happy to see Farage win on account of the problems he would continue to cause the Tories. Where did you find it? Journalist friend at ITV is very interested. A Labour activist who comments on Ukpollingreport2.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 23, 2024 12:14:55 GMT
From another blog I have picked up this comment from a Labour activist in Clacton - 'So, I advise you all to sit yourself down comfortably with a strong drink - alcoholic, tea, coffee, whatever you fancy - this could take some time and when I've finished you probably won't believe it anyway! Our candidate in Clacton, Jovan Owusu-Nepaul, is a Labour Party employee. When he was parachuted into Clacton, he had to sign an agreement that he would not campaign in Clacton but would campaign in Colchester instead. Of course, he has been campaigning in Clacton along with Clacton CLP members, because we all feel it is important we defeat Farage and we have got to the stage where our canvassing, a number of local opinion polls and tactical voting sites indicate we are in second place and if people want to vote to keep Farage out, they should vote Labour. Yesterday, Jovan and our CLP were told to stop all campaigning in Clacton; we would get no further support, we have been blocked out from Organise and Contact Creator and other sanctions have been taken. Jovan has been told to go to the West Midlands (where he lives) to campaign there. As far as our members are concerned we were told we HAVE to go to Colchester and no further activity in Clacton will be supported or financed. None of our members want to go to Colchester and will refuse, partly because we have been told by the Colchester CLP that they don't need us as they have enough of their own members and supporters and their canvassing shows they are well in front anyway. Talking of finance, we were offered an amazing £10,000 donation to support Jovan. Our Regional Office have told us to take the money but not use it on campaigning. I can't help think this is actually fraud. While writing this, someone has sent me a link to a Guardian article just published that says this sort of thing is happening all over the country in Labour constituencies where candidates and members have dared to campaign in their own constituency and not gone where directed. I'm sorry. I have no words (apart from the ones above!)' How interested would BBC East and ITV Anglia be in this story? Its daft. First, very few people help with Colchester. Its too far. And Clacton, probably a small party, helps local members - even though its not a Labour banker. The candidate might do very little, but given its Farage, obviously Labour have something to help. The donation should be given to Clacton - if its campaigning, its obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 12:15:48 GMT
Where did you find it? Journalist friend at ITV is very interested. A Labour activist who comments on Ukpollingreport2. Who please?
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jun 23, 2024 12:17:07 GMT
Labour is going to have a landslide, so telling members to campaign in Sunak's constituency rather than their own safe one, makes sense to me, as does stopping support in foregone constituencies.
It maybe Labour centrally sees Clacton as a write off now Nigel Farage is the candidate, so again it makes sense to ask memebr to campaign elsewhere. Local members might not like it, especially if they don't see it as a write off, but that doesn't mean their isn't some strategic sense in what abour nationally is asking them to do.
This story is really a storm in a teacup type story, great for spoon fed lazy journalists, but irrelevent to the reality of the election.
It s one thing to ask activists to go to target seats but if they are really demanding that people don't campaign in their own constituency that is quite odd.
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Post by graham on Jun 23, 2024 12:22:28 GMT
There are two followup.from the same person - The original comment appeared on Friday 21st June.
Then yesterday 22nd June 'And the good news this morning is that Jovan has decided to disobey orders and is returning to Clacton to continue the campaign whatever his employers say.'
And today we have this- 'Just heard from our campaign manager: "Jovan has changed his mind about coming back since yesterday due to even further pressure being applied to him."
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 23, 2024 12:24:00 GMT
From another blog I have picked up this comment from a Labour activist in Clacton - 'So, I advise you all to sit yourself down comfortably with a strong drink - alcoholic, tea, coffee, whatever you fancy - this could take some time and when I've finished you probably won't believe it anyway! Our candidate in Clacton, Jovan Owusu-Nepaul, is a Labour Party employee. When he was parachuted into Clacton, he had to sign an agreement that he would not campaign in Clacton but would campaign in Colchester instead. Of course, he has been campaigning in Clacton along with Clacton CLP members, because we all feel it is important we defeat Farage and we have got to the stage where our canvassing, a number of local opinion polls and tactical voting sites indicate we are in second place and if people want to vote to keep Farage out, they should vote Labour. Yesterday, Jovan and our CLP were told to stop all campaigning in Clacton; we would get no further support, we have been blocked out from Organise and Contact Creator and other sanctions have been taken. Jovan has been told to go to the West Midlands (where he lives) to campaign there. As far as our members are concerned we were told we HAVE to go to Colchester and no further activity in Clacton will be supported or financed. None of our members want to go to Colchester and will refuse, partly because we have been told by the Colchester CLP that they don't need us as they have enough of their own members and supporters and their canvassing shows they are well in front anyway. Talking of finance, we were offered an amazing £10,000 donation to support Jovan. Our Regional Office have told us to take the money but not use it on campaigning. I can't help think this is actually fraud. While writing this, someone has sent me a link to a Guardian article just published that says this sort of thing is happening all over the country in Labour constituencies where candidates and members have dared to campaign in their own constituency and not gone where directed. I'm sorry. I have no words (apart from the ones above!)' How interested would BBC East and ITV Anglia be in this story? Its daft. First, very few people help with Colchester. Its too far. And Clacton, probably a small party, helps local members - even though its not a Labour banker. The candidate might do very little, but given its Farage, obviously Labour have something to help. The donation should be given to Clacton - if its campaigning, its obvious. Colchester is about sixteen miles from Clacton, so hardly unreachable, but realistically only if you have a car.
We've been directed to Harlow and i think Tottenham have also been sent to Colchester!
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Post by graham on Jun 23, 2024 12:25:12 GMT
A Labour activist who comments on Ukpollingreport2. Who please? I do not know his real name. His comments are there from 21st June to 23rd June.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 23, 2024 12:25:31 GMT
There are two followup.from the same person - The original comment appeared on Friday 21st June. Then yesterday 22nd June 'And the good news this morning is that Jovan has decided to disobey orders and is returning to Clacton to continue the campaign whatever his employers say.' And today we have this- 'Just heard from our campaign manager: "Jovan has changed his mind about coming back since yesterday due to even further pressure being applied to him." How to turn off people from politics. There's a chance to fight Farage on the doorsteps and really learn at the front line. I'd dig my heels in.
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Post by graham on Jun 23, 2024 12:26:43 GMT
There are two followup.from the same person - The original comment appeared on Friday 21st June. Then yesterday 22nd June 'And the good news this morning is that Jovan has decided to disobey orders and is returning to Clacton to continue the campaign whatever his employers say.' And today we have this- 'Just heard from our campaign manager: "Jovan has changed his mind about coming back since yesterday due to even further pressure being applied to him." How to turn off people from politics. There's a chance to fight Farage on the doorsteps and really learn at the front line. I'd dig my heels in. Indeed - and I get the sense that they will do that.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 23, 2024 12:26:54 GMT
I do not know his real name. His comments are there from 21st June to 23rd June. And the unreal name? Personally I would tell the journalist to go and do his own work.
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 23, 2024 12:32:40 GMT
There are two followup.from the same person - The original comment appeared on Friday 21st June. Then yesterday 22nd June 'And the good news this morning is that Jovan has decided to disobey orders and is returning to Clacton to continue the campaign whatever his employers say.' And today we have this- 'Just heard from our campaign manager: "Jovan has changed his mind about coming back since yesterday due to even further pressure being applied to him." How to turn off people from politics. There's a chance to fight Farage on the doorsteps and really learn at the front line. I'd dig my heels in. Indeed. It may be that people are enthusiastic right from the off to go further afield, but if not the 'easier' experience of doing so locally may mean that they are willing to do in the future.
In the 2015 election the organiser from Labour HQ didn't want us to enter polling station data as 'we didn't have the time'. I told him to have another cup of tea and a fag, leave us alone and we'd have it done in fifteen minutes. He was very, very, stressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 12:34:26 GMT
REF 58% LAB 26% CON 13% OTH 3%
Tories utterly walloped here.
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Post by graham on Jun 23, 2024 12:41:43 GMT
REF 58% LAB 26% CON 13% OTH 3% Tories utterly walloped here. Where does that come from?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 12:42:57 GMT
REF 58% LAB 26% CON 13% OTH 3% Tories utterly walloped here. Where does that come from? My prediction.
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