Clacton

[observer]

Jun 20, 2024 19:09:50 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Jun 20, 2024 17:07:00 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Really? I guess maybe I misunderstand the words, or I don't understand them at all. Perhaps you could help me out here - breakdown the phrase "My favourite drink is white man's tears" and explain to me what it means.

I've said that it's boastful and crass because it is. It's not that far removed from football fans cheering the disappointment of the opposition. 

Neither you nor I are black. I am going to guess that it must feel rather good to succeed against, or win against, a body of people who constantly doubt, undermine, and belittle you. Hearing people go crazy over a tactless but otherwise harmless remark is the point being made, isn't it? He didn't say a racist thing, and it's got white men losing their marbles. 

It was clearly racist. Just to imagine it in reverse shows this.
Liberals should have nothing to do with racism at all

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[cathyc]

Jun 20, 2024 19:34:50 GMT observer said:

Jun 20, 2024 19:09:50 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

I've said that it's boastful and crass because it is. It's not that far removed from football fans cheering the disappointment of the opposition. 

Neither you nor I are black. I am going to guess that it must feel rather good to succeed against, or win against, a body of people who constantly doubt, undermine, and belittle you. Hearing people go crazy over a tactless but otherwise harmless remark is the point being made, isn't it? He didn't say a racist thing, and it's got white men losing their marbles. 

It was clearly racist. Just to imagine it in reverse shows this.
Liberals should have nothing to do with racism at all

You really need to look at the book that originated the phrase, or at least brought it to public attention.  It was intended as attack on Western liberalism and its sentimentality towards the Third World.  

Do some reading.  Educate yourself.

All these comments about if a white person said it then it would be regarded as racist.  A white person did say it.

Although it doesn't mean that the Labour candidate in Clacton is not stupid or racist.  

[observer]

Jun 20, 2024 19:48:50 GMT cathyc said:

Jun 20, 2024 19:34:50 GMT observer said:

It was clearly racist. Just to imagine it in reverse shows this.
Liberals should have nothing to do with racism at all

You really need to look at the book that originated the phrase, or at least brought it to public attention.  It was intended as attack on Western liberalism and its sentimentality towards the Third World.  

Do some reading.  Educate yourself.

All these comments about if a white person said it then it would be regarded as racist.  A white person did say it.

Although it doesn't mean that the Labour candidate in Clacton is not stupid or racist.  

What do you mean by 'liberalism'? Do some thinking about it and let us know how such a view isn't racist

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Jun 20, 2024 17:02:42 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Big applause to whoever in Reform was tasked with searching through his feed and not finding anything hurtful. "My favourite drink is white man's tears" is boastful and crude. I can't see the racism at all. It's crass and that's about it.

It's poison in Clacton and allows people to hate him as a reverse racist or an anti (white) working class elitist without having to hate him for being black, which they would feel guilty for.

So it's now going to be a contest for whether Reform or the Tories can demonise him most.

An apology wouldn't have made a difference, although it may with Labour if either Reform or the Conservatives manage to use this to highlight the fact that a chunk of Labour are quite dismissive of the working class

[observer]

Starmer should sack his racist candidate. Anyone think he will?
It's very revealing

[Jack]

Jun 20, 2024 19:09:50 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Jun 20, 2024 17:07:00 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Really? I guess maybe I misunderstand the words, or I don't understand them at all. Perhaps you could help me out here - breakdown the phrase "My favourite drink is white man's tears" and explain to me what it means.

I've said that it's boastful and crass because it is. It's not that far removed from football fans cheering the disappointment of the opposition. 

Neither you nor I are black. I am going to guess that it must feel rather good to succeed against, or win against, a body of people who constantly doubt, undermine, and belittle you. Hearing people go crazy over a tactless but otherwise harmless remark is the point being made, isn't it? He didn't say a racist thing, and it's got white men losing their marbles. 

Trying to be so anti-racist that you resort to all sorts of mental gymnastics to try and defend racism.

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Jun 20, 2024 19:58:32 GMT observer said:

Starmer should sack his racist candidate. Anyone think he will?
It's very revealing

He shouldn't sack every candidate who says something stupid, particularly in the past

But if this looks like blowing up it may be appropriate damage control

Obviously this will (and should) appear on campaign leaflets to the point he's constantly explaining himself, together with the dodgy poll showing he's about to come through the middle

But I don't think either Reform or the Tories have the ability to get this story national

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Jun 20, 2024 19:59:21 GMT Jack said:

Jun 20, 2024 19:09:50 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

I've said that it's boastful and crass because it is. It's not that far removed from football fans cheering the disappointment of the opposition. 

Neither you nor I are black. I am going to guess that it must feel rather good to succeed against, or win against, a body of people who constantly doubt, undermine, and belittle you. Hearing people go crazy over a tactless but otherwise harmless remark is the point being made, isn't it? He didn't say a racist thing, and it's got white men losing their marbles. 

Trying to be so anti-racist that you resort to all sorts of mental gymnastics to try and defend racism.

He should say only whites can be racist and be done with it.

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[observer]

To be fair he's very young and his views will change as he sees more of life.
But he needs to stop accusing others of the things that he does

[Devil Wincarnate]

Crikey. He sounds like he likes himself a lot.

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Jun 20, 2024 20:14:59 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Crikey. He sounds like he likes himself a lot.

Labour are lucky they didn't have some dull Starmtrooper just grinding the gears to get a winnable seat next time.

They ain't going to win but they do have someone to cheer the troops. As long as some of his studenty sayings don't get national cut through, which is highly unlikely.

[mrsir]

Those comments from the Labour candidate are really grim - where do they find these people? Utterly hate-filled nonsense that will only drive division further.

Vote Reform to keep the racist out.

[john07]

Jun 20, 2024 20:42:54 GMT mrsir said:

Those comments from the Labour candidate are really grim - where do they find these people? Utterly hate-filled nonsense that will only drive division further.

Vote Reform to keep the racist out.

Is that the official Liberal Party policy?

[doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️]

Jun 20, 2024 20:42:54 GMT mrsir said:

Those comments from the Labour candidate are really grim - where do they find these people? Utterly hate-filled nonsense that will only drive division further.

Vote Reform to keep the racist out.

.....well, it's a point of view.

[cathyc]

Jun 20, 2024 19:55:11 GMT observer said:

Jun 20, 2024 19:48:50 GMT cathyc said:

You really need to look at the book that originated the phrase, or at least brought it to public attention.  It was intended as attack on Western liberalism and its sentimentality towards the Third World.  

Do some reading.  Educate yourself.

All these comments about if a white person said it then it would be regarded as racist.  A white person did say it.

Although it doesn't mean that the Labour candidate in Clacton is not stupid or racist.  

What do you mean by 'liberalism'? Do some thinking about it and let us know how such a view isn't racist

The comment about liberalism is not mine but the person who wrote the book outlining 'white man's tears'.  Do some reading about the very subject you're railing about.  If you want to know what he means then ask him.  And I'm not sure what view it is you're talking about that I've supposedly said isn't racist.

[observer]

Jun 20, 2024 21:09:49 GMT cathyc said:

Jun 20, 2024 19:55:11 GMT observer said:

What do you mean by 'liberalism'? Do some thinking about it and let us know how such a view isn't racist

The comment about liberalism is not mine but the person who wrote the book outlining 'white man's tears'.  Do some reading about the very subject you're railing about.  If you want to know what he means then ask him.  And I'm not sure what view it is you're talking about that I've supposedly said isn't racist.

Yes, critical race theory is regressive and racist. Inherently so. Almost fascist actually.
May I suggest something: when you read, try to think at the same time

[nyx]

Jun 20, 2024 19:34:50 GMT observer said:

It was clearly racist. Just to imagine it in reverse shows this.
Liberals should have nothing to do with racism at all

Cancel culture over things like this is ridiculous. I'm sure many people have at some point made some dodgy joke about some group of people, including Farage. It's really not a big deal, we're all human.

[doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️]

Jun 20, 2024 23:52:58 GMT nyx said:

Jun 20, 2024 19:34:50 GMT observer said:

It was clearly racist. Just to imagine it in reverse shows this.
Liberals should have nothing to do with racism at all

Cancel culture over things like this is ridiculous. I'm sure many people have at some point made some dodgy joke about some group of people, including Farage. It's really not a big deal, we're all human.

I've deleted much of what I wanted to say but this prompts me to try again. 

He's a young, ambitious, obviously confident person of colour, of whom British politics isn't exactly overflowing. When he was much younger, he used a turn of phrase in a cocky, boastful way, as all young people tend to do. 

This forum is on the whole white and "of an age". We've absolutely no idea about the lives experience of British people of colour, and to pass judgement on his entire being on the back of one turn off phrase is exactly the kind of "tears" he's referencing.

Little wonder young people feel alienated from politics when a grand jury of retired generals can judge on a single turn of phrase. We will never be young again, maybe that's the real driver of the reactions here.