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Clacton
Jun 4, 2024 19:27:12 GMT
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 4, 2024 19:27:12 GMT
Got 8/1 on a Labour win here.
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Post by Ports on Jun 4, 2024 19:28:53 GMT
Britain is a big country. There's always one nutter. But I'm talking the big picture here. How often do you see non-lefties hating their opponents and making such personal attacks? It's rare - and that tells us something. Don't forget that three Leave voters were murdered by enraged Remainers after the referendum I disagree with the claim you make - but in any case what benefit is there to making this a left-right issue when 99% of left wing people, just like 99% of right-wing people don't support political violence. |
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Jun 4, 2024 19:34:25 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 4, 2024 19:34:25 GMT
Britain is a big country. There's always one nutter. But I'm talking the big picture here. How often do you see non-lefties hating their opponents and making such personal attacks? It's rare - and that tells us something. Don't forget that three Leave voters were murdered by enraged Remainers after the referendum I disagree with the claim you make - but in any case what benefit is there to making this a left-right issue when 99% of left wing people, just like 99% of right-wing people don't support political violence. Correct. There should be no space for it at all. And no excuses offered. |
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Post by Jack on Jun 4, 2024 19:48:33 GMT
There’s a suggestion on Twitter, accompanied by photos, that she ‘may’ be a friend of his It wasn't Emily Hewitson if that's what you mean The two of them don't even look alike apart from the hair colour. |
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Jun 4, 2024 19:53:39 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Jun 4, 2024 19:53:39 GMT
look, I personally find all of them to be uncivilised, but at least custard pie requires some effort and is generally considered to be a comedic classic (even if classless). Ho Ho bloody Ho! So it is alright to deliver a sharp shock that might severely damage health and to ruin a good suit just for comedic purposes and to satisfy dimwit sense of traditional hustings. Woden help us! Custard Pie is usually thrown into one’s face, not suit. |
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Post by observer on Jun 4, 2024 20:16:35 GMT
Britain is a big country. There's always one nutter. But I'm talking the big picture here. How often do you see non-lefties hating their opponents and making such personal attacks? It's rare - and that tells us something. Don't forget that three Leave voters were murdered by enraged Remainers after the referendum I disagree with the claim you make - but in any case what benefit is there to making this a left-right issue when 99% of left wing people, just like 99% of right-wing people don't support political violence. I don't care if there is political benefit or not in what I have said. But I remarked upon the bile and hatred on the so-called Left for anyone who disagrees with them. I gave Farage as an example. I also remarked on the relative absence of such hatred among non-left wingers. I don't see this people constantly on social media spreading hate against those they disagree with. I really don't. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 4, 2024 20:25:52 GMT
Ho Ho bloody Ho! So it is alright to deliver a sharp shock that might severely damage health and to ruin a good suit just for comedic purposes and to satisfy dimwit sense of traditional hustings. Woden help us! Custard Pie is usually thrown into one’s face, not suit. In 1977 students threw a custard pie at the Arts Minister Lord Donaldson when he was visiting York Art Gallery.
A spokesman for the Student rag week said it was "unfortunate" that Donaldson did not "take it in the spirit intended".
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 4, 2024 20:27:19 GMT
Britain is a big country. There's always one nutter. But I'm talking the big picture here. How often do you see non-lefties hating their opponents and making such personal attacks? It's rare - and that tells us something. Don't forget that three Leave voters were murdered by enraged Remainers after the referendum I disagree with the claim you make - but in any case what benefit is there to making this a left-right issue when 99% of left wing people, just like 99% of right-wing people don't support political violence. Because there's a rather blurred definition of violence that's rather too mainstream on the left, dressed up as "direct action" – the Cymdeithas yr Iaith approach, where intimidating elected representatives by breaking into their offices and vandalising them is fair game – no-one threw a milkshake; so it's allegedly not violent. There really isn't an equivalence to that sort of intellectual excusing of non-violent violence on the right: the Earl of Burford jumping up and down on the Woolsack really isn't in the same league. |
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Post by john07 on Jun 4, 2024 20:32:30 GMT
There was an old tradition of pelting political opponents and music hall acts with soft fruit and the likes.
The Stalybridge band Fivepenny Piece recorded as song about an act being pelted onstage:
“Now tomatoes are soft and they don’t break the skin,
But this bugger did, it was still in the tin!”
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Jun 4, 2024 21:25:03 GMT
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Post by mboy on Jun 4, 2024 21:25:03 GMT
Britain is a big country. There's always one nutter. But I'm talking the big picture here. How often do you see non-lefties hating their opponents and making such personal attacks? It's rare - and that tells us something. Don't forget that three Leave voters were murdered by enraged Remainers after the referendum I disagree with the claim you make - but in any case what benefit is there to making this a left-right issue when 99% of left wing people, just like 99% of right-wing people don't support political violence. I'm afraid this isn't even remotely true - your 99% figures are miles out. Polls in the USA (where this is frequently surveyed) consistently show that 10-20% of people on the Left and Right think that violence is to some extent justified against opponents - only on issues that are important to *them*, obviously. These numbers are unsurprisingly lowest in the centre and highest at the far right and far left. Historically the numbers on the right have been much higher, but in the last decade Social Justice activists on the Left have significantly closed the gap in support for violence (though in most surveys the Right are still more supportive of violence). I suspect the figures are lower in the UK, but not by much. |
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Post by right on Jun 4, 2024 21:35:05 GMT
There is nothing new about objects being thrown at politicians. During the 1970 campaign Harold Wilson was hit on several occasions by eggs thrown at him. In 1966 a schoolboy at a public meeting managed to hit him with a stink bomb. In the last 8 years, two MPs have been killed by politically motivated lunatics. If you and others cannot see how that has changed the paradigm then you are an idiot. This is assault and should be treated as an assault on an ordinary member of the public. It is not an attempted assassination, and we should not treat a drink as battery acid. It's perfectly fine calling out of the joyful Lib Dems who'd assault Farage themselves if they weren't frightened of being beaten up by a passing six year old. But let's leave it there. There should be no precedent for this. Let's have no special status for politicians. The woman who did it should simply be charged for assault, as should anyone who was foolish enough to do it on camera. If we stop fretting about eggs, paint or beer landing on politicians then the really important right to abuse any politician that you meet on the street can be maintained. And that's a very precious right. |
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Post by right on Jun 4, 2024 21:36:39 GMT
When the dust settles, images such as this will form part of the tapestry of the campaign. Farage is a provocative person, who does not shy from confrontation. That's not victim blaming (🙄), it's the fact of an outspoken personality on the campaign trial. It happened with John Prescott and the egg, which was laughed off as "John being John".  John being John was throwing a punch. If Farage had done that you would have been calling for capital punishment. |
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Post by right on Jun 4, 2024 21:43:17 GMT
I offer to you the law of unintended consequences. This government has cracked down on the right to protest and Suella etc wants to go further. We should be careful just how far down the road we go. Protecting politicians from the slightest chance of a missile would only restrict freedom of assembly yet further. Freedom is very easily taken away and rarely returned. Again, are you happy to be the target of such a definition of freedom of assembly? We're in the middle of a German election campaign that has seen two SPD and one CDU politician hospitalised (one battered with his own placard), the vice-chancellor trapped on a ferry, and a policeman murdered. Not to mention a dozen other candidates assaulted. We're never going to have good politicians if we deem it fair game for people to have shit flung at them or for them to be twatted by people who can't control their emotions. Stabbing politicians will stop good politicians coming forward. But not getting into politics due to extra dry cleaning bills will put off the sort of people who really should not enter politics. This is not terrorism, and we really need some perspective on it. |
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Jun 4, 2024 21:57:53 GMT
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Post by mboy on Jun 4, 2024 21:57:53 GMT
Owen Jones reminding us that he really is as bad as we thought
In one sense these events are useful as shibboleths because they are so good at identifying genuinely unserious people.
PS I would argue this is on the margins of incitement to violence
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Post by cogload on Jun 5, 2024 0:39:06 GMT
100 pages.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 4:13:46 GMT
Owen Jones reminding us that he really is as bad as we thought In one sense these events are useful as shibboleths because they are so good at identifying genuinely unserious people. PS I would argue this is on the margins of incitement to violence Jones can do one. How is any form of political violence 'art'? I'm not pearl-clutching but this is just crass. |
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 6:06:06 GMT
Owen Jones reminding us that he really is as bad as we thought In one sense these events are useful as shibboleths because they are so good at identifying genuinely unserious people. PS I would argue this is on the margins of incitement to violence Jones can do one. How is any form of political violence 'art'? I'm not pearl-clutching but this is just crass. It's not art but it's barely violence We just need some perspective |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 6:11:07 GMT
Jones can do one. How is any form of political violence 'art'? I'm not pearl-clutching but this is just crass. It's not art but it's barely violence We just need some perspective I remember when Ed Miliband got egged a few times, IIRC and there was less hysteria over that. |
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Jun 5, 2024 6:19:11 GMT
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 6:19:11 GMT
It's not art but it's barely violence We just need some perspective I remember when Ed Miliband got egged a few times, IIRC and there was less hysteria over that. Basically Miliband was dull, why be hysterical about something happening to him? Farage is not dull and this time there's no Boris to outshine him Those who are calling it art and those who are calling it an assault on the roots of democratic order are both saying the same thing, Farage is interesting. They look like they're disagreeing and talking nonsense, but in fact both sides are agreeing about Farage - he's a live player or doing a really good impression of one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 6:25:46 GMT
I remember when Ed Miliband got egged a few times, IIRC and there was less hysteria over that. Basically Miliband was dull, why be hysterical about something happening to him? Farage is not dull and this time there's no Boris to outshine him Those who are calling it art and those who are calling it an assault on the roots of democratic order are both saying the same thing, Farage is interesting. They look like they're disagreeing and talking nonsense, but in fact both sides are agreeing about Farage - he's a live player or doing a really good impression of one. Yes. Elections are far more interesting when Farage is running, regardless of whether one wants him to win or not. |
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