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Post by batman on Jun 5, 2024 6:35:23 GMT
I remember when Ed Miliband got egged a few times, IIRC and there was less hysteria over that. Basically Miliband was dull, why be hysterical about something happening to him? Farage is not dull and this time there's no Boris to outshine him Those who are calling it art and those who are calling it an assault on the roots of democratic order are both saying the same thing, Farage is interesting. They look like they're disagreeing and talking nonsense, but in fact both sides are agreeing about Farage - he's a live player or doing a really good impression of one. I disagree with your second para. Farage is basically a pub bore. |
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 6:43:23 GMT
Basically Miliband was dull, why be hysterical about something happening to him? Farage is not dull and this time there's no Boris to outshine him Those who are calling it art and those who are calling it an assault on the roots of democratic order are both saying the same thing, Farage is interesting. They look like they're disagreeing and talking nonsense, but in fact both sides are agreeing about Farage - he's a live player or doing a really good impression of one. I disagree with your second para. Farage is basically a pub bore. Yet you're on this thread. Interesting. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 5, 2024 6:44:38 GMT
In the last 8 years, two MPs have been killed by politically motivated lunatics. If you and others cannot see how that has changed the paradigm then you are an idiot. This is assault and should be treated as an assault on an ordinary member of the public. It is not an attempted assassination, and we should not treat a drink as battery acid. It's perfectly fine calling out of the joyful Lib Dems who'd assault Farage themselves if they weren't frightened of being beaten up by a passing six year old. But let's leave it there. There should be no precedent for this. Let's have no special status for politicians. The woman who did it should simply be charged for assault, as should anyone who was foolish enough to do it on camera. If we stop fretting about eggs, paint or beer landing on politicians then the really important right to abuse any politician that you meet on the street can be maintained. And that's a very precious right. Broadly yes, with a qualification over the word abuse. Obviously extreme forms of abuse can be an offence but abuse in any form coarsens our lives and certainly puts off many from choosing public roles (a point you discuss elsewhere). If I had a choice I’d rather have milkshake thrown at me than be screamed and sworn at in front of my child (to take an example of “abuse”). Our threshold of restraint and civility has dropped some way in my lifetime. Some of that’s a good thing but it must be putting plenty of people off contributing to politics and narrowing the pool of the willing. |
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 6:45:14 GMT
Labour voters significantly more likely to approve the milkshaking of a Tory politician than vice versa. From 2019.
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Post by norflondon on Jun 5, 2024 6:48:56 GMT
Straightforward public order offences against the person like that cannot and ought not to be condoned in any way, or even mitigated.
Farage to win Clacton is 3/10 with Hills (approx 75% chance).
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 6:56:45 GMT
Straightforward public order offences against the person like that cannot and ought not to be condoned in any way, or even mitigated. Farage to win Clacton is 3/10 with Hills (approx 75% chance). And nor should it be exaggerated |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 5, 2024 7:29:15 GMT
Labour voters significantly more likely to approve the milkshaking of a Tory politician than vice versa. From 2019. They are also more likely to approve the 'milkshaking' of a Labour politician than a Green one, which is odd. Conservative voters also less likely to approve the milkshaking of a Green politician than those from any other party. Is this some kind of sensitivy to the percieved vegan inclinations of Green politicians. Would the responses have been different if soya milk had been sepcified? |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 5, 2024 7:47:48 GMT
Labour voters significantly more likely to approve the milkshaking of a Tory politician than vice versa. From 2019. They are also more likely to approve the 'milkshaking' of a Labour politician than a Green one, which is odd. Conservative voters also less likely to approve the milkshaking of a Green politician than those from any other party. Is this some kind of sensitivy to the percieved vegan inclinations of Green politicians. Would the responses have been different if soya milk had been sepcified? Or possibly that the survey is meaningless? It showed unsurprisingly (thankfully?) that most supporters of all persuasions disapproved. The survey's results will have been influenced slightly by one recent event with a particular individual. But the odd divergences are among the minority on all sides who were prepared to accept such an action as reasonable. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 5, 2024 7:49:42 GMT
Straightforward public order offences against the person And this is all it really boils down to. |
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Post by mboy on Jun 5, 2024 8:51:44 GMT
We just need some perspective Says the poster who spent two years telling us that Ukraine fighting back successfully would lead to nuclear war. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jun 5, 2024 9:33:37 GMT
Labour voters significantly more likely to approve the milkshaking of a Tory politician than vice versa. From 2019. They are also more likely to approve the 'milkshaking' of a Labour politician than a Green one, which is odd. Conservative voters also less likely to approve the milkshaking of a Green politician than those from any other party. Is this some kind of sensitivy to the percieved vegan inclinations of Green politicians. Would the responses have been different if soya milk had been sepcified? It's also probably the element that they're more likely to resemble an ordinary person – they may well have never won an election in their life and are unlikely to start doing so now. I'd expect a similar disdain for milkshaking the Loony candidate. |
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Post by right on Jun 5, 2024 9:36:06 GMT
We just need some perspective Says the poster who spent two years telling us that Ukraine fighting back successfully would lead to nuclear war. No, it was Crimea or bits of pre 2014 Russia being invaded - although perhaps that should have been qualified to being in such a way that conventional war couldn't wrinkle them out. Neither occupations have happened, although you could pick me up for predicting that Ukraine could overrun Crimea when they got nowhere near - but that was 18 months ago. Anyway there's a thread for that |
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Post by cathyc on Jun 5, 2024 12:05:54 GMT
She doesn't look like a quinoa munching Guardianista to me...
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Post by Raddy on Jun 5, 2024 12:08:46 GMT
Basically Miliband was dull, why be hysterical about something happening to him? Farage is not dull and this time there's no Boris to outshine him Those who are calling it art and those who are calling it an assault on the roots of democratic order are both saying the same thing, Farage is interesting. They look like they're disagreeing and talking nonsense, but in fact both sides are agreeing about Farage - he's a live player or doing a really good impression of one. I disagree with your second para. Farage is basically a pub bore. We are told we should listen to experts, so as a supporter of a party with a 'Toolmakers Son of the Year' for their leader, we should prostrate ourselves before you. What's your view on Starmer willing to let his wife or children die should they catch some life threatening condition if the NHS can't treat her, rather than break his idealogical purity and pay for treatment. Sounds like he really is a Corbynite following his friends example Didn't Corbyn divorce his wife because she insisted their child went to an out of area high performing school, whilst he insisted the child should go to the local sink comprehensive. She won!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2024 12:13:52 GMT
I disagree with your second para. Farage is basically a pub bore. We are told we should listen to experts, so as a supporter of a party with a 'Toolmakers Son of the Year' for their leader, we should prostrate ourselves before you. What's your view on Starmer willing to let his wife or children die should they catch some life threatening condition if the NHS can't treat her, rather than break his idealogical purity and pay for treatment. Sounds like he really is a Corbynite following his friends example Didn't Corbyn divorce his wife because she insisted their child went to an out of area high performing school, whilst he insisted the child should go to the local sink comprehensive. She won!!! Yes, although playing devil's advocate corollary of that is 'private healthcare for me, NHS waiting list for you'. Here's what I'd have answered if I was Starmer: "well Julie, many people don't have that luxury, but if I could, of course I would in an extreme case, use private healthcare, but this isn't about me, this is about the future of our NHS after 14 years of managed decline." |
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 5, 2024 12:20:55 GMT
He's definitely going full-on Jimmy Perrin!!
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 5, 2024 12:28:48 GMT
The usual suspect, ill-dressed, slap-worthy little tart. Care to expand? Sadly this forum doesn't have many female members because men like carlton43 has the confidence to type content like that. Sorry that we don't always take him to task for it. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 5, 2024 12:43:34 GMT
I can't think of many people less likely to appeal to Clacton voters.
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 5, 2024 12:43:36 GMT
Sadly this forum doesn't have many female members because men like carlton43 has the confidence to type content like that. Sorry that we don't always take him to task for it. Equality of opportunity and equality of the sexes rules dear friends. Surely neither of you expect or demand DIFFERENT treatment for women? That would of course be explicit sexism, up with which neither of you would wish to put! Nor using the term ladies instead of women. The aggressive little piece 'slapped' Nigel in the face with liquid for which I suggested she is now 'slapworty' herself as in the duality of meanings : 'Needs a good slap' as my maternal grandmother would most certainly opine : And her actions and dress suggest to some of us that the term 'Slapper' might be appropriate? Got that straight the pair of you in Slow Learners' Corner? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 5, 2024 13:20:40 GMT
Sadly this forum doesn't have many female members because men like carlton43 has the confidence to type content like that. Sorry that we don't always take him to task for it. Oh do get over your fucking self. She's literally an Only Fans model - carlton43's description of her is spot on. Her growler is all over Twitter now, but no doubt she'll be getting plenty of other mugs to pay for her 'exclusive' content (which was probably the point of the exercise) |
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